Why is the mirage F1C at 12.0 when it has a pitiful radar and rwr, terrible radar missiles, mediocre flight performance and has to face amraams and F-15s in an uptier. The only reason it was moved up this high in the first place is because of magic 2s but it only gets 2 of them and it seems like gaijin has no problem putting R-73s (better magic 2s) at 11.3 on the su-25bm.
Forgot to mention the A-10C .3 Br lower with 4 irccm missiles, HMD, and a RWR that works.
Also forgot to mention the mirage 2000 is only .3 br higher than this plane with all aspects of it significantly better except countermeasure count which you can easily get around. Also it is one of the best dogfighters in the game and only .3 higher than the very mediocre mirage F1C.
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2x Magic 2s on a supersonic platform that’s okay at dogfighting, plus 2 while less potent missiles still 2 more missiles.
It’s honestly the among the best 12.0. Easily better than Mig-23s.
Su-25 also isn’t anywhere close as good as Mirage F-1 outside the rate fight.
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i could dogfight you in a su-25 and win
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You’d lose, you don’t have the thrust.
Load Magic 2, Run 1.3ma, Shoot Magic 2, Kills obtained.
530f can do a bit of BVR if your target is headon
And it has a quite interesting dogfight capability
If you are launching at someone with less wit than a bag of inebriated ferrets, sure.
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yes and those people do exist, so you can get kills in circumstances where su25 cant get them. welcome to war thunder, even if the advantange works only against idiots its still an advantange that the su25 does not have
So uh, you can easily get kills headon with Su 25. Like, really easily. At comparable effective range.
This is before we even consider the Su 39 that has similarly effective AGMs that can target aircraft as the 530F is against only aircraft. And it carries 16. At 11.7. They also cannot be chaffed.
F1C is worse than most fighters at its BR, and could quite comfortably go down in BR whilst making fuck all difference to the matchmaker outside of making it slightly more playable in an uptier.
Really interesting chaff resisting behavior & low Alt signal reception. This itself could be a way to try it =D
with how many missiles?
you have to spend your ir missiles for that and then you cant use them elsewhere
you dont have the potential the f1c has.
Oh no, the dedicated strike aircraft has limited AAMs. Compared to the fighter with arguably less effective AAMs, and comparably limited count of effective missiles.
exactly. and that is a downside of a su-25 compared to f1c.
It. Is. A. Strike. Aircraft.
F1C is a fighter. And I’m only entertaining the Su 25 suggestion, on account of people’s insistence on it. The most direct demonstration of why it shouldn’t be at the BR is the F4S.
That’s a good joke.
Nike didn’t arrive to the custom match before my F-15E match ended.
But yeah, Su-25 is a chronically subsonic airframe.
It’s like claiming A-10A can win against F-15.
lol No where close. It’s among the best at 12.0.
Countermeasures, Magic 2s [Tied for best IR missile in the game], supersonic airframe, and Soviet-style RWR.
yeah. the f1c is better because its a fighter. thats why it has a higher battle rating
oops replied to wrong thing
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I’m just saying its not among the best at 12.0 and it really shows in uptiers.
If it only had Magic 1s, then it could be 11.7, but it has the best IR missiles in the game [tied with 9M, AAM-3, and R-73].
So yeah, it’s stuck at 12.x for the rest of its life.
There are some under-BR’d 13.0s that need to be decompressed, but that’s not an excuse to make the F-1C OP.