Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Itll be MiG-29K its still WAY too early for Su-30

USN F/A-18A in 1983 it probably next pre-order pack rank 8 after F-20A Tigershark. Right ? 🤔

J-10AH ?

Sadly, I don’t know J-10AH specifications

It really depends, we could see the Su-30M2 and Su-30MKK added right now with no issues. Su-30SM/SM2 would be the late Su-30s for the Soviet tree.

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Does it?

All I can find is the 27EA utilizes the 9B-1103K seeker

Yes. We won’t get a better radar until Su-35S/Su-30SM2, so I don’t think adding TVC would be that big of a deal. Su-33 would have canards anyways, so that or an Su-34 would be a model with crazy first turn pull anyhow.

@soviet_MoonMan and I went through the sources almost a year ago and found that it was using the same seeker as the R-77. This is likely because there are a lot of R-27’s in storage, but less than a hundred R-77’s built before then end of the USSR, and only a few thousand by the time Russia took over manufacturing of the entire missile (used to source some parts from Ukraine) in 2011-ish. The idea was to put the seekers on the R-27 bodies to increase the volume of ARH missiles in stock.

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Interesting well I figured the 33 would be a good way to bring it in well damn :p

Su-35S/su-30sm2 should come with f22 they are considerably newer aircraft, with TVC and canards

Nah thats too late theyd be DOA I think they should test Su-30 and let us see its flight perf but Su-30SM should come with EFT and Rafale

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Su-30SM introduced 2013 and has AESA radar and the flight performance stuff with access to r37m i think and definitely acess to r77

Also f22 is maybe just over a year off I think. We’ve really been going leaps and bounds since the F-15 and su27 were added

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Su-30SM has PESA, not AESA. Russia has no true AESA plane but the Su-57.

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Under no circumstances will they add the F-22 before large amounts of 4th and 4++ generation jets are added. You’re not going to have a 14.7 F-22, that would be absurd. The F-2 and J-15 have no right being added within 2 years of the F-22.

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Idk, we got stealth, we got AESA/PESA, all that’s left is TVC which is probably gonna come with some Russian fighter, and we’ll have every new feature they’ll need for the F-22. Of course, if they decide to add the full capabilities of its ECM suite (not even jamming just detecting) and sensor fusion it will take longer, but I know gaijin will half ass it.

We have multiple variants of Gen 4.5s to get through first. I’d say late 2025, but realistically Dec 2026.

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The F-117 is in no way comparable to even 3rd gen fighters. It having stealth means nothing.

The former on a helicopter, and the latter on a plane that is sub par as a fighter.

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Think of it like the infinity stones lol

Ofc we will need to see phased array radars on proper fighters before f-22, and TVC, but f22 will likey be first stealth fighter, and su57 shouldn’t come until way later since y’know it’s barely into actual production

Even if that was true, it’d be irrelevant.

I’d expect F-22 first stealth fighter in-game then later we get F-35, J-20, and Su-57

That is an extremely illogical expectation.

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How so? An F-22 only update would bring more than enough hype if it was the only thing added and let’s them save the other 5th gen for another big hype update. I don’t think there is a single other aircraft that would garner as much hype as the F-22 when it comes