Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

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8942

ABC (Argentina, Brazil, Chile) Ground Forces Techtree Look at this, it could work really well.

If LATAM doesn’t get its own tech tree, Israel would be the next best fit. Israel doesn’t have a lot of other options: Singapore seems more likely to go to Japan or China, and Turkey hasn’t exactly been Israel’s closest ally lately. Turkey could even get its own tech tree similar to Israel’s.

Most LATAM vehicles are lighter, and a lot of them use Israeli munitions and missile tech, so they’d actually complement Israel quite well. Plus, LATAM didn’t participate directly in WWII, and its military development really took off in the mid 20th century, just like Israel’s (with heavily modified American and French vehicles).

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8943

If the F-4EJ Kai and F-15J(M), Japanese modifications of US vehicles, aren’t domestic, then neither is the F-2.

8944

By those standard only US Russia, France and China operate fully domestic airframes for combat jets, and maybe not even China cuz of how much they “borrow” from Russia and the West

8945

Those arent quite the same though. Iirc most parts of the F-2 are different from the F-16.

Mitsubishi used the existing F-16 design as a reference guide for design work, and more than 95% of F-16 engineering drawings are changed for F-2.[24][25]

Some differences in the F-2 from the F-16A:

Also, the F-2 is equipped with a drogue parachute,[26] like the version of the F-16 used by South Korea, the Netherlands, Norway, Greece, Turkey, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Venezuela.

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Whilst they maintain similarities and the F-2 is certainly a variant of the F-16 the modifications I beleive were more extensive than either the F-15 or F-4 were from waht I understand (though not an expert on Japanese aircraft, so take that with a pinch of salt)

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8946

That’s what he said, not what I said.

8947

Exactly

8948

I seem to have misunderstood. What your first comment agreeing with me?

8949

Yeah

8950

I see.

8951

Yea I don’t know why they’d hold it back unless they plan to make it into a monster but that’s not really what it is. It’s no EFT or Rafale.

8952

I reckon its just AESA fear or figuring out code for it

8953

By far, EJ Kai was mostly the new radar, F-15J(M) literally just a license made MSIP with very slightly different engines and some electronics swapped with japanese ones. F-2 a full airframe overhaul, new weapons, and radar.

8954

The F-15J(M) is the MTDP, not MSIP, unless something has changed since the Seek and Destroy dev server.

8955

AESA fear doesn’t make sense from a capability standpoint, as the AAM-4 still only has a PD seeker. It’s probably that Gaijin just wants another Apex Predators/Air Superiority/Seek and Destroy, where a bunch of them are added at the same time.

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8956

Can’t wait for some quality Missile ships :D CIWS go BBBBBBUUUUUUURRRRRRTTTTTT

8957

fear is usually irrational. People hear “AESA” and assume its gunna be OP. If Japan got a “AESA equipped F-16*” then suddenly everyone would be demanding the same upgrade and it would become a mess pretty quickly. Also, I reckon they havent figured out how to model it yet. Look at PESA and people moaning about that

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8958

That’s a possibility.

Really, though, Gaijin could just introduce the F/A-18C with AIM-120C-5s and it’d easily be able to compete with the F-2.

8959

why do i even argue with you ;D

8960

Damn, that’s crazy.

8961

nah, you were pretty much on point. they developed their own airframe design with the F-2
its a true domestic design.

regarding AESA, doesnt the new Mi-8 get one?
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or did they remove it since its announcement?