Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

We already know what the F-15E skins will be

F-15E – “333” – SJ 87-0199 | “333rd FS camouflage”

F-15E – “334” – SJ 87-0200 | “334th FS camouflage”

Wikipedia says this. I’m sure it’s only the Mk2 though, which is basically the same thing as the -9.

Air-to-air missiles :

  • MBDA MICA IR/RF (Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000-9, Mirage 2000 I[151])

I’m on the way to the China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition. Will the update coming any time soon?

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I dunno

That is completely irrelevant.

some time this week

I believe this is a MICA IR, the seeker head’s visibly a different shape, less pointed.

When a loadout options is too strong, it just gets lower.

It’s why the RMV has 2x Magic II not MICA IR
Why the Tornado Gr4 has 2x Aim-9M and not ASRAAM
Or the tornado F3 has 4x Aim-9M instead of ASRAAM.

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I still have hope.

Which buff? As far as I know, energy retention was dropped each time they touched F-16 FM’s. The removal of initial the 9-11G’s limit (depending on weight) was accompanied by a major sustained turn rate nerf that wasn’t disclosed anywhere.

When the mig29G was introduced on Germany, every plane had sustained turn rate nerfed which also wasn’t disclosed. That was an overall nerf for rate-fighters.

F-16c still after the neefs was better then the mig 29g

Mig29 suffered a lot too with the turn rate nerfs. F-16 always was the better dogfighter and on top of that, almost no one played the mig29 correctly in a dogfight.

Also you can’t use takeoff flaps anymore which was the biggest nerf for the mig29 dogfight performance. Now they just refuse to deploy at speed.

9M was not even originally slated to come out with the 73, but everyone (US mains) whined so hard gaijin threw it in with the update AND nerfed the 73 to boot.

Iirc originally the F-16C didn’t even have hmd on the dev server.

I get their decision to add both. Having a plane with both better SARH missiles, better IR missiles and exclusivity to HMD doesn’t sound like the best idea.

Whined? No, rightly complained. The R-73 was and still is cracked if used by someone with any form of real intelligence. The AIM-9M is the least that should have been added with it.

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it could come to the 2000D RMV today in a nerfed version since it only carries 2, the R27ET has similar long range performance and gaijin has already shown they don’t mind nerfing the IRCCM of missiles like Magic 2 until other nations catch up

this is no different than when they added the R73 to the Su25 before other jets got it, but that’s just their usual double standard

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Definitely. It and the ASRAAM should have come this update (with the IRIS-T on new German and Italian Tornados, also) with nerfed IRCCMs and flight performance. This is something I’m really confused about with the Brimstone, also. Gaijin has said they’re not willing to give it FNF capabilities with its ability to track through smoke and clouds removed because it’s ahistorical, however they did an incredibly similar thing with the Magic II, which was added with significantly inferior range, power, and air resistance, and without IRCCM, and then slowly buffed over time.

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I’m also concerning about that.

clicked.

Maybe they will merge these two updates