I mean same could be said about Chinese stuff, like PL12 was considered AIM120C equivalent but just so they could be added now they had to be nerfed. I think they should just add another later batch F15C which has AIM120C and ESA radar.
Thats not stopped gaijin in the past, we could easily see 3 variant based purely off of the British Aerospace prototypes, these being
Hawk 200 (early)
Earliest variant with integrated ADEN 25s in the nose, but no wingtip pylons
Hawk 200 (late)
a later/ production variant, sacrificing the internal cannons for wingtip pylons
Hawk 200 Night Attack
A hawk 200 Early equipped with a Marconi FLIR system instead of the radar
Personally I would argue that the early could be limited to Sidewinder/Skyflash and get a BR of around 11.0, whilst the late could receive ASRAAM and AMRAAM at around 13.7 or so
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The SHAR comment was directly due to Gripen not having it IRL, as a “well this could have been done” for parity weapons etc.
As for “UK didnt use it” on Hawk 200, well, the UK makes them, and theres plenty of other vehicles the UK makes for export that are in the UK tree. Vickers mbts for example. Could just go with an Omani or the proposed Saudi 1 (given Saudi planes have been added to the UK before, EG the Lightning F53)
That was in regard to them being the best before F-15 or AMRAAM were part of the game.
France and Britain do get attention but it is hard to match any new addition one for one because there are not enough steps in capacity or not enough vehicles.
Yeah, but still, even with F15 they are quite good except they can’t just spam, meaning u don’t get a free kill until u reach 50/50 dogfights.
I now do like a 20km spam of PL12 before I even really see anyone.
Agreed. But why is it always minor nations playing catch-up and not the other way round.
Would it be the end of the world if Britain, Italy, France, Germany, China and Sweden had the strongest aircraft in game for an update or 2?
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which one, just “C”? C-7? C-3?
The Hawks could be very capable and diverse in the UK TT.
T.1A would be a good alternative to the Alpha Jets, Gaijin could omit the 9L’s and equip it only with it’s A-G weapons and place it around 9.0
Hawk 100 Early could be around 10.7 and be equipped with 9L’s, would have the same A-G weapons as the T.1A.
Hawk 100 Late could be foldered with the 100 Early can and have 9L’s but the extended A-G weapons options with Brimstones and ALARM. Could be 10.7 in Air battles and 11.3+ in ground.
Hawk 103 could be an event/premium aircraft, would basically be a Hawk 100 Early.
Hawk 200’s could either come to 13.0 with AMRAAM’s/13.3+ with ASRAAM’s, or could be split as an Early and Late versions, Late would be with AMRAAM’s and in the future ASRAAM’s but the Early version could come with Skyflash and sidewinders and be placed around 11.7/12.0
Hawk 203 could be an event/premium vehicle alongside the Hawk 103.
Overall there’s many versions of the Hawk that could come for the UK TT which could each be unique and useful in-game
looks very similar to a F5
Id have the T.1A in a Red Arrow Livery as a premium and have the gnat as the TT version.
Id also prefer the Hawk 200 more like 11.3 with 9Ls and skyflash than at max BR with strong missiles. Would be a really fun aircraft to have at that BR
but yes, a LOT of potential options for our tree
We could have both? Would love to get the Gnat in-game and also a Red Arrow T.1A would probably sell really well as a premium.
Yeah that’s where it could be split into an Early and Late version. Early with Skyflash and 9L and Late with AMRAAM and ASRAAM. An early Hawk 200 might be better at 11.3 instead of 11.7/12.0, just wasn’t sure whether it had 9L or 9M.
It would be difficult to let countries play catch up when they were in many instances leading developement.
I do agree of course that in those cases implementations should be solid.
F-5 was out of this world when it was newly added while Mirage F.1 was trash for a long time.
F.1 was still playable especially the F.1CT because it had stock Magic 2 which were busted at the time but the flight characteristics were a joke.
Mirage 2000 was suffering for a while in that department after MiG-29 9.12 and F-16 were introduced.
At least France was a bit more active in developement than Britain and therefore is a little easier to balance. God knows why we got a Benelux tree crammed in there.
It would be cool if Eurofighter and Rafale got to slap a bit before further changes to the meta are made but we will just have to see about that.
Especially with the pacing in the next few patches.
China is in a difficult position because it went from largely obsolete to rather modern aircraft in a very short amount of time. The late Chinese Flankers are something to look forward to.
Personally I hope MiG-29 9.12 and SU-27/J-11 get revisited. J-11A would profit from a downtier by 0.3 but it is a matter of perspective.
9M was around when the Hawk 200 first took flight, but 9L would be a smarter option, considering its Subsonic and I would rather not have it bumped to 11.7 and face F-14s in it
Based upon Harrier Gr7, would probably end up more like 12.0/12.3 if it had Aim-9Ms for “reasons”
ASRAAM and Active Skyflash >:)
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They had the best Aircraft for a short while
Germany: MiG-29G
China: J-10
Britain: Phantom FGR.2 (First Pulse Doppler), Gripen JAS-39A
mig 29g aint true. the F-16C was already a thing at the time and better
You are right but the F-16C than had only AIM-7M and AIM-9L. Flight Performance wise the MiG-29G is better than the F-16C and R-73s are better than AIM-9L so I would say at that time the MiG-29G > F-16C
iirc it got aim-9m on the dev server
if i remember right the aim 9m was introduced together with the R-73 in the end and the F-16 FM buff happened as well
At the time the F-16 did already outperform mig 29s