Wasnt really talking about German naming in German service there as we know KWS-Lx was the official naming but “ICE” or “upgraded Phantoms” existed as the easiest way to describe them among allied pilots on various exercises and wargames.
sooo… i dont want to be pesimistic but guys in simple terms the translation to this is NEVER, dont expect to much, we´ll still be without standoff capabilities despite having it IRL.
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Quick question on Brimstone.
I see it compared to Hellfire’s functionality alot, but i’m wondering, like Hellfire, is it possible to have multiple missiles in the air at a given moment so that you can hit multiple close by targets by just moving the laser?
Or is it like a second missile stops the first one tracking kinda situation?
The PL-8B isn’t a Python-4 equal, it’s an R-73 equal, with it trading TVC for range.
Yes. You can fire 16x hellfires off at once and they’ll all guide to the same target. As the Apache is hovering, you can fire them off spaced about 3-5 seconds a part and swap targets between impacts. In heli EC, you can use this to clear out the battlefields really quickly.
In the GR4 though, this tactic doesnt work. The GR4 is faster than the Brimstones so they’ll all impact about the same time when rippled off, even with a stagger
Their IOGs work in the exact same manner as well. When fired off towards the target. The IOG will guide the missile close-ish to the target, but not the exact point where it was fired at. Also if the laser is turned on and then turned off again for whatever reason. The IOG doesnt re-enable, the missile just maintains a ballistic flight path
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Aye, i’ve got plenty of experience in Apache’s so that’s why i was wondering if it’s a transferrable use case, but i didn’t really take into account GR4 being faster than the missiles.
I’m really coping to try and find useful ways of playing GR4 but man, everything i read and watch just makes me think it’ll be Pantsir food.
Might be fun in Sim at least but even there… hard to argue a use case when all these new GBU-39 carriers can wipe out the ground battles much more effectively. Destroying the convoys sort of feels like it’s only niche. Would much prefer Brimstones in this format on a GR9 tbh.
There is 3 ways to use the GR4 in GRB whilst making use of the Brimstones that i’ve figured out so far
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Use the Brimstones as decoys. Spam them off towards a Pantsir but left to IOG to guide close ish. Use a PGM fired after the swarm for the kill shot. No total gurantee it will work everytime, but I think it will work occasionally, especially when coupled with generous amounts of CM usage
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Dont use them as stand-off weapons at all. Fly low and fast, using them more like guided rocket pods. They seem to be quite good when used at close range, and hopefully some buffs like prox fuse will enable them to be highly effective against helis as well
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Dont use them for SEAD at all. use the PGMs and ePaveways for SEAD. Use Brimstones for anything else when you can close in a bit.
As for SIm… They will be niche. Due to the BR, loitering for mutliple passes wont be advisable. ePaveways will be the most effecient way to deal with battlefields and PGMs probably will be more effecient and safer vs the convoys.
Im hoping we might soonish see some SEAD objectives in Sim, which might have a use for the Brimstones. But then again, ePaveways would probably work just as well. The lack of FnF to wipe out convoys is why im most sad about the Brimstones. But things like the FLIR and HMS symbology is gunna be nice in QoL boost in Sim if nothing else and the ePaveways do look like fun,
Overall though. Im really hoping they upgrade the Brimstone 1s to Brimstone 2s. The new motor will give them much better range and make them much faster when used at closer ranges. Also we’ll have to wait and see if they ever fix their guidance time, 60s is way too low
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quick question, does anybody have any images of the KAB-250LG in game or files? because i saw it was added and am wondering how it looks.
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no, PL-8B keeps most old Python3 design, no TVC, but a better rocket
Swiss F/A-18 perhaps.
That’s not a German jet
Do you want a new jet before the EF or not? Thats basically your only option
Didn’t the infamous leak a month ago about the SL nerf and ASEAN for china also say something about Eurofighter delayed to early 2025?
In that case you’re right and germany will need the Hornet
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It did but my guess is F/A-18 next patch
Yeah but that’s now what we’re talking about, we’re talking about specifically GERMAN jets
There literally are no other German jets you can get for top tier (fighters specifically)
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That’s what I said. The R-73 has TVC, and the PL-8B has range.
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7200 GE, with a minimum cost of 2200 GE.
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I see you don’t talk about the 530F
Considering they are 1 chaff
Thanks, that means I’ve got enough! :D