Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

ehhh later eurofighters sure, things like blk5s would be far more inline with the game currently having AIM9s and AMRAAMs

Then watch the US mains cry about the Typhoon and wanting the F-22

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I just don’t understand why nation mains can’t just focus on their own nations and vehicles instead of spending time berating, insulting and hating each other over jealousy, envy, superiority complex or whatever.

As someone stated above, the endless cycle of Russian, German and American mains hating each other over “whining”, being “handheld by Gaijin”, or “being noobs”; but also the endless cycle of minor nation players showing extreme resentment towards major nations and their players just because they are more numerous (therefore achieving solutions more easily) and have more and better vehicles available in general.

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is there a reason you decide to try and hate on british mains?

you might wanna listen to the thing you quote before you try and speak

I’m going to have to side with the “Britsh mains” here, with what I’ve seen.

Any time they complain they get hit with the “Well you should have built/bought something better”
Any time they ask for something they get attacked for “Wanting the world”

The issue isn’t that they are trying hard enough, they’ve tried for years from what I’ve seen only to have it be rejected or get their stuff nerfed instead. It’s the simple fact that failure and negative outcomes had pilled up to a breaking point.

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I wonder if it’d be reasonable not to expect AIM-120C on Rank VIII aircraft.

I would love that, man. The ROCAF F-16 is my most favorite of them all, dunno why.

probably due to majors seemingly getting special treatment, and its down to them just having more players, which in turn means more people will flock to the majors because they get this special treatment making it harder for minors to get changes because they have even less players.

I remember it took the tornado thread 5-6 months to get the radar on the F3 changed to one it actually used in service instead of one of the preproduction radars.

It really isn’t special treatment- it’s just the adecuate treatment everyone should get by default. Gaijin just needs something of a push to get it done.

And don’t forget you are taking only a few examples and pretending they are the norm.

Major nations also get neglected in many ways:

1- The Abrams turret ring has been mismodelled since the introduction of the very first tank in the family despite countless bug reports.

2- M1A2 SEPv2’s TUSK II package is still non-removable despite having been acknowledged as an issue since the dev server of the update it was introduced on.

3- M1A2 SEP and SEPv2’s turret are still underperforming in every way…

4- Leopard 2A7V’s armor is artificially nerfed to be worse than the 20 year older export variant of itself.

5- Leopard 2 PSO still hasn’t got its proper hull armor.

6- Leopard 2 PSO still hasn’t got its side internal composites.

7- Leopard 2A7V’s acceleration is still underperforming.

And a long etcetera.

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oh yeah no that is why I said seemingly I fully know that the majors have their own problems

just frustrating with the whole brimstone thing that they have been given so many suggestions on how to balance it and they just ignored every single one but then leave the FnF weapons of the F15E and Su34 alone

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And this is why I don’t get into these fights. Tho it does help it’s all tech I could care less about as it’s in BRs that I don’t find fun.

I’ve been waiting for the update so I can play the UK Ram II B(and don’t need to touch the fake name Ram II B in the US tree actively anymore(because for some reason names used by the host tree matter more than the operator nation’s name of the vehicle, even if nothing exist about said host nation using that name).

And grind the T77E1 as if I do return to playing US 3.7 I have a good SPAA for it.

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Keep in mind it’s two whole different situations.

Asking for F-15E to have the 229 engine instead of the 220 is asking it to have the engine it used historically for the most part instead of just at the beginning.

It’s switching a historical change gor another one. No realism compromises at any rate.

However, asking to alter Brimstone’s historical capabilities in order to fit the game better is a much bigger and complex deal.

Yes, removing one of its modes altogether is as unhistorical as it would be to alter it; but Gaijin doesn’t seem to agree.


It’s very easy to jump on the train of berating “major nation mains” and claiming that Gaijin hates/does not care about minor nations, but… maybe things are a little more nuanced and complicated.

Tornado GR1 though should get the Mk103 engines as the situation is the same

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the thing is they could just add mode 2, it isnt LOAL, they in the same update could make it so it cant see through smoke by adding Chaff to the smoke like most nato tanks have, all it would give the missile is the ability to track through trees a bit better then what IR can

forgot to mention igla has proxy fuse removed

Not the T1 bl 5 and T2 bl 10. The F-15C MSIP II is often stated to be the closest US counterpart to them.

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and that’s just A2A.

Definetly nothing that even comes close to the “heavy” multirole aircraft that the F-15E or Su-34 are going to be without Rafale or Typhoon to compete. Probably Gripen E as well.

It even time for Gaijin to remove a certain stick and give the Gripens their centre line A2G weapons to help close the gap a tiny bit as they make poor multiroles (though decent swing-role)

(and thats not even mentioning things like A2G radar)

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Like my thoughts about this update:

T77E1 - it’s a 3.7 SPAA. kinda the only place I wanted a new SPAA.

(US) Skink - Well I don’t fully agree with this, as it feels like they gave into US wining. And the Americans trying to justify are even worse. “it uses some US parts” People are some of the worst, hope they like anything with an L7 and Rolls Royce going to the UK. but even then the Skink program was to make a “Marskmen turret” for the Sherman. If the Skink made it to production it would have just been a bunch of turrets to be shipped to the UK and those who wanted it(including the US) but that didn’t happen so only Canada and the UK used it.

(UK) Ram II - This I’m really excited for as I can make proper line-ups with things it would have served with if it made it to the front lines. Tho I will have to decide if I want to use something a bit less likely or up-tier it for the Churchill III. It will also have at least half of the correct name for the thing.

Scimitar - I don’t have a lot to say about this, just I’m excited it’s coming and will probably switch my UK research to it.

OSA - More SPAA is always nice, and the UK will be useful for the few times I’d play up there.

Dutch Leos- Well I don’t hate they are in the game, I hate how they came to the game. They should have been in an independent BeNeLux tree or at least a sub-tree rework should have happened first. If I ever get them I’ll be using them in a thematic Dutch/BeNeLux line-up.

As for the other ground vehicles that I can’t remember off the top of my head, I’m happy for the nations getting them.

For Air, I don’t really care about what is coming bar one plane:

F-117, I’m fully aware they will be bad but that only makes me want it more. It is a meme plane and I love meme vehicles. I’ll be switching my squad research right away and properly going to use this user skin: WT Live // Camouflage by GameQuotient802

As for naval, I’m not an active naval player so I can’t comment.

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For me this update:

Tornado Gr4 is a nice QoL upgrade over the Tornado Gr1 for Sim, but the BR is a major concern. In GRB its not worth even mentioning without a major decompress or more buffs for it

RWRs look visually nicer, but the nerfs/changes to how they function have me… concerned.

Scimitar, its nice to finally see it, but will probably rarely use it considering the BR is not one I play much and I cant stand GRB at the moment at any BR

Naval, real disapointment. HMS Repulse is just a downgrade over anything else we already have and only really of benefit to those that dont have HMS Renown from the Event. Its a shame we’ve gotten another 6.7 and another battlecruiser instead of what was needed which was a 7.0 or maybe even 7.3 battleship. (france looks to be the same from what little i’ve seen from their update)

Perfect oppotunity to get a load of other buffs and fixes in for other vehicles as well and not a single thing appears to be fixed for Britains top tier aircraft, tanks or naval. Nothing.

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Um… Is this a display bug or is this a snail attempting to use TFR?

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