Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

its moreso that its always been here and now its gone with seemingly no notes in the changelog which makes me wonder if its a bug. but ill add some stuff to the report i guess

luckily its right here
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-systems/air-defense-systems-and-mounts/"Pantsir-S1"/

a source gaijin has used themselves. surely thats good enough then right? right?

I understand your point but yall do understand Spanish is fighting the same fight as yall right??

If you give up trying to make changes to the game change will never happen and your TT will be left in a worse and worse state and I dont think thats what anyone wants

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I don’t mean to be demeaning or ignorant, but considering MBDA state it has a “proximity fuse capability” on their website, what is there to investigate?

(Source: BRIMSTONE | Air Dominance, TACTICAL STRIKE | MBDA - access via “Related Documents” and then “Download” which provides a PDF)

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if ROE is a valid source mbda should be too id say

Its not a question of sourcing currently, just that its one of the tasked reports under review in queue.

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That was never questioned it was the inability to accept that 1000 people will always have more influence than 100.

The notion of “work harder” is just nonesense.

Imagine they added the AGM-65 in game without its FnF mode. The 1000 US mains would have the influence to change it. Look at the F-15E engines…

Smaller nations do not have that, then you have to factor in nation rivalries. A US main is never going to vote on a Russian jet having a new missile system.
We are all needlessly tribal and if someone has something we think we should get it.

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Everyone banded together to get F15E buffed as it was weaker in A2A than F-15I.

And now that F-15I is substantially weaker than F-15E in A2G, nothing will be done.

Sad reality of playing smaller playerbase trees.

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considering MBDA makes the damn thing I’d really hope it is considered a valid source.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

Lets flip that.

Say the US gets the better engines and Israel dont
Do you think there would be the same level of support from US mains?

Or would it be the usual “Cope” and “Seethe” comments

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Well, in the threads about F-15E getting 229’s, a lot of the Israel community in the forums came out in support of it, sort of in the hopes that achieving A2A parity could lead to A2G parity.

But the snail is allergic to giving Israel jets literally any domestic munitions, so maybe we were just fooling ourselves in that hope.

I am heartened to see a lot of those US mains now move over the F-15I threads and return the favour of support, but I doubt it will be enough for the snail to model unique things for a tree they don’t like to model unique things for.

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Thats good to see, we are all too invested in our primary nation.

Sadly i think its more of a minor occurence

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Yeah, it’s been one of the few examples I’ve seen in a long time of two countries player bases banding together to help each other.

US mains, with their sheer mass, really do have an influence in decision making hardly any other section of the community seem to do, so hopefully it leads somewhere.

This cycle of Israel only ever getting copy paste really needs improvement. When for instance copy paste isn’t possible (as with Mavericks), we simply get left with nothing. Without sounding ungrateful, it’s just not good enough.

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They didnt even add clipped wings GBU-15, which would allow them be very close in capabilities, if not on level

Honestly, I’d take anything.

I don’t know what the core issue is. Is it just the snail not wanting to foot the bill for modelling something for the small Israeli playerbase ? Start crowd funding then. Sell ‘Israel supporter packs’ on the store like a go fund me and set goals. We sold a thousand ? Cool, you guys can have an AA now. Another 250? Cool, here’s a unique missile etc.

Tired of every update either being a half baked copy paste jet, or another half baked magach.

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This is the sole reason why I haven’t bothered to start the Israel grind, and maybe others can relate

As cool as Magach family is, I can’t justify researching like 20 slightly different M48/M60s back to back

I know there are other domestic and export vehicles that could be added still, I’m holding out for those

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There are many who feel this way.

I said it somewhere earlier in this thread, but the Israeli content cycle is like :

Can’t justify unique additions as not enough players > ‘Just add another magach’ > No one plays Israel because they only get Magachs > Can’t justify uniq…

Over and over, every major update. There is genuinely so many unique and cool things Israel could get. They just never get added because it’s seemingly a lot more work to model from scratch than just remodeling an ERA / composite pack on a Patton for the umpteenth time. And even when they do get added, they’re a complete mess (Sholef / Namer as prime examples)

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so dose this mean helis like ah-64 and mi 28 wont be getting fire and forget weapons in the future

The Mi-28NM’s fire and forget are optical/IR guided, not radar.

Are there any plans to update the armament/countermeasures of the chinese f-16 mlu? Many reports and messages from other players about this subject have been submitted without any answer.
This plane, as many others, faces fox-3 aircraft witch limits/minimizes its potential by the simple fact that doesn’t have effective bvr capability, at the moment.
If there’s evidences this plane can carry better armament in real life why can’t we have it implemented in the game, even if a br increase would be needed?

Let me just put some photos as evidence of this subject

F-16 MLU carries AIM-120
17307610354562433258980986036688
https://www.taiwanairpower.org/af/f16.html

Number of countermeasures on the F16 MLU (left side)
17307616129145788648428590228855
https://www.taiwanairpower.org/af/f16.html

Number of countermeasures on the F16 MLU (right side)
17307619813005743295697070751632

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wouldnt it just be as simple as adding the Chaff element to smoke that most nato smoke uses? which in turn would just make it work in mode 2 like the current FnF weapons