Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Which I agree with. China has plenty of stuff left to add, and they keep pumping out new stuff. Like, Zhuhai’s soon, we certainly will see new things. I’m not asking for ASEAN stuff to be added to China, don’t get me wrong here. It is unnecessary.

Japan does lack some stuff, but that is mainly CAS aircraft and SPAA. For latter, they have their own option in form of the ARH Type 11. Earlier can be solved with a single nation, from which they received an aircraft from in this dev server (wink). I find no reason at all to cramp the entirety of the available aircraft/vehicles of ASEAN nations into Japanese tech tree. And I am tired of how people keep advocating for it like it is absolutely necessary.

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That I see as the only actual, and major problem. At most they can receive JDAM’s on the F-2, without a sub-tree. Unless Gaijin wants to do some magic on their AShM’s and give them the ability to target ground targets… which I doubt. So Thai F-16’s and Gripen will certainly help there.

SPAA, if they do the Type 11 right, will help them for a while.

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On the bright side the Type 81 will have something most other sams dont have and that is being able to use two different type of missiles IR/Radar

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Welll I think its because gaijin has refuse to put in things like the chu mpm for years

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Yeah thats great if you can eyeball the target. Again finding the fast moving jet or helicopter is the issue.

too far for it’s rocket. it will slide like a GBU after about 7km, no mobility

It is one of the few spaa systems that had to be added in a crippled state without a radar trailer. But had to be added because gaijin knew japaan type 93 and 87 simply were unable to do anything.

Yes im aware but unless they model a seperate radar vehicle or simply give it radar for no reason other then balance idk what to say.

The type 11 will be crippled to because it also has a radar trailer it needs that to even perform on par with adats or pantsirs or top tier spaa

or just like @MAUSWAFFE said. gaijin just made up the motor of the missile with the seeker head of the IR instead of the ARH?

I do think without adding an adats to japan or something giving the type 81 c and possible type 11 the ability to share radars with a radar equipped sam unit on its team is viablke but would require team work etc. Or you could just say they have the radar on the single vehicle

Your only looking at air and not the whole picture.

Thailand will help with CAS yes but not completely. Gaijin is adding more and more stronger forms of CAS that not even Thailand will add to Japan…where some of those other nations can further closing the gap. Then there is GF where the main issue is SPAA and SAMs again which Thailand can not really help in that category. We also already technically have a multi nation subtree so idk why Japan can’t?

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Isn’t the dev still open to november 6th?

EDIT: just logged in and the dev is very much still open.

Buit russia gets the 9k33 and so does italy SO yay for italy I mean I guess

Or give the type 81 c and the hopeful type 11 access to its own radar trailer unit it can sort of deploy next to itself when it stops moving or something and it takes like 3 mins for it to appear or something

Sure, but then maybe try to advocate for that instead of a naval balancing disaster.

Japan is doing well at naval top tier right now, don’t think that’s where we need more.

To be fair stealth doesn’t affect eyes. Type 81 isn’t enough, sure, but again Yamato doesn’t change that.
Our best bets are Type 81 ARH, Type 11 and SG SPYDER.

If we want search radar there either needs to be external radar mechanics or a Type 11 FCS radar vehicle with towed launcher. Maybe a Thai HVSD/ADAMS, but I’m not sure if the variant was even built to be tested.

Yes, Japan had no ADATS at all. Thai ADATS is stationary and still has no radar.

That won’t help us either. Only make people hate us enough to prevent proper fixes.

Mauswaffe was a little bit wrong about the SAM-1Cs performance. The IR missile has less range due to aerodynamic properties. Simply put; the IR version is a bit shorter, lighter and has a rounded head, which reduces range. The limitation can also be seen in comparable designs (MICA, R-27, etc) where the motor and basic structure are the same, but the head is different. The ARH version definitely has more range and is probably only limited by the battery life, however unfortunately, the documents available to us do not provide any information about the electronic details.

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How many people actually play naval ?

but it still can’t influence that much, so it won’t reach the effective range of a VT-1, even based on the fact that it’s auto pilot code is much more effective than SACLOS

No but its reduce heat signature might affect your ability to see it with your thermal and unless we do get the arh it will affect your only missle to. Again eyeballing air units is the main issue its unrealiable