Major Update 'Alpha Strike" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 4)

[PestoMystic]

@xPorkulusx

A lot of people have suggested Thailand for Japan, and I think that probably satisfies the geopolitical category but I don’t know much about what Thai vehicles would bring to Japan. As far as I’m aware they don’t have a huge domestic industry so it would be mostly imports, which Japan has a good amount of already.

Thailand would have some ex IJN vehicles, US Cold War era vehicles, and then later on, an mix-and-match of Western and Eastern vehicles, US, Ukrainian, and Chinese. It would add a ton of variety overall to the Japanese tree which is mostly indigenous with some local manufactured copies of Western vehicles.

@xPorkulusx

I’m not sure there are nations with enough unique and interesting vehicles that would slot neatly into China or Israel, however. Israel does not have a lot of geopolitical allies (that aren’t already represented in-game one way or another), and most of the potential allies of China would be contributing more Chinese/Soviet vehicles and wouldn’t bring much to the tree.

Pakistan would add many of the same vehicles as RoC for China, but some unique Pakistani/Chinese vehicles would be a way to guarantee they stay in the Chinese tree, one way or another. Of course the A-5C is already in the game in the Chinese “tree” as a premium, so a precedent already exists. Even though Vietnam and China would come to blows after the Vietnam war, China still has the Vietnamese T-34 SPAAG. So China could end up as the home for random south east Asian nations/vehicles too. Not that many would be happy about that, but I’m just saying.

Turkey I don’t believe would want to be anyone’s sub tree, especially not Israel’s (even though historic military ties exist). I don’t think they slot in anywhere well, and probably would need to be it’s own tree.

I really think a Red-For and Blue-For tree need to exist. It, along with a big UI change, would really help round out all these additions people want.

[StormRyder13]

@PestoMystic

I really think a Red-For and Blue-For tree need to exist. It, along with a big UI change, would really help round out all these additions people want.

The problem with this is WW2 is still a thing. and Axis and Allies both ended up on both Blue and Reds side.

[PestoMystic]

@Deathmisser

China would props get Pakistan though I heard rumours they could get N & S Korea.
As the tree is already split between east and west.

It would seem trollish as hell, but both of these additions would also make A LOT of sense.

[PestoMystic]

Make them Israel style, and make them something you can’t unlock until you have a rank V of each type for each section of the tree for redfor and bluefor. Make people grind the WW2 vehicles in other major/minor nations, that way it’s not as mixed, and then they can unlock access to red or blue.

[Hyrikul]

A blue/Red TT that is like Israel with missing BRs?

Just… What’s the point ?

[Motherhen357]

Latest from Oliviia:

There is the April Fools event coming to consider for that gamemode, but also all those WWM icons @gszabi99_HUN found last year - helicopter_infantry, landing_craft_infantry especially.

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@xPorkulusx

In that case there are only a few full nations that could currently fit a full-line sub-tree like what we’ve seen

Though that 's not necessarily how the next subtree will be implemented, as we’re seeing from the placement of the Gripen C(SA), J34 Hunter and FV721 Fox among others.

@Smin1080p

@x_Shini_

well, its not possible, ground has all 5 lines doesnt it

The South African Gripen did not require a new line.

The main factor for a subtree going forwards will likely be related to " need ":

@Smin1080p

It should be understood that it’s not “just because they can” they will. It will depend on the needs of each nation.

Though, that doesn’t generate a hugely different list of possibles from yours.

[PestoMystic]

What’s the point of a Polish, Yugoslavian, “Intermarium”, Ukrainian, Singaporean, BeNeLux-ian, Chilean, Korean, or Turkish tree/subtree?

The answer to that question is the same answer to your question you asked me.

And to answer more literally:

@StormRyder13

The problem with this is WW2 is still a thing. and Axis and Allies both ended up on both Blue and Reds side.

StormRyder13 thinks it’s a problem that the WW2 Peas are touching the Cold War Carrots. Lol

[Favnirbane]

Escape from Gaijin event?

[Deathmisser]

There an easier way to do that

[Deathmisser]

It’s the Magachs all over again

Tiran 5 (late)
Tiran 5 (late) sh
Tiran-6

[StormRyder13]

This read like WT should abandon WW2. That be a reason for me to quit the game which sucks as there is no other game like WT that covers those BRs.

may I remind you we are missing hundreds of thousands of vehicles most of which are from WW2 (and of 80% are from nations not in-game)

WW2 is still part of this game. you can’t just change a game with WW2 to fit a cold war factions without considering how the factions changed after WW2.

[StormRyder13]

Here is a list of the UN members:

Member States | United Nations

Here is the final TT it gets the same thing done as a “Commonweath”, “Redfor/Bluefor”, “Minnor-nation” etc. tree.

Just to limit C&P cram as many nations in the same tree as possible keeping out of the game hundreds if not thousands of vehicles and their variants.

[Deathmisser]

Atcually could gaijin be making a soviet line for Israel as I just remembered the PT-76b

Rank 4 - PT-76b

Rank 5 - Tiran 4 (In game)
Rank 5 -Tiran 4S (In game)

Rank 6 - Tiran 5 (late)
Rank 6 - Tiran 5 (late) sh (Premium) ?
Rank 6 - Tiran-6

[Motherhen357]

@Deathmisser

Tiran 5 (late) sh (Premium) ?

Though a sov-based line might fit w/ adding the aircraft IL captured nd later modified, I know you’ve been waiting on those for awhile.

[PestoMystic]

@StormRyder13

This read like WT should abandon WW2. That be a reason for me to quit the game which sucks as there is no other game like WT that covers those BRs.

Not what I was saying, but okay.

@StormRyder13

may I remind you we are missing hundreds of thousands of vehicles

Hundreds of thousands is hyperbole. So is the 80% of nations not in game, but I see your point, okay.

@StormRyder13

WW2 is still part of this game. you can’t just change a game with WW2 to fit a cold war factions without considering how the factions changed after WW2.

There is no red-for vs blu-for MM system. I’ve played in WW2 era games where it’s the Germans, US, and Soviets, vs the French, British, Italians, and Japanese. I’ve played coldwar games where it’s the Soviets, US, and Sweden vs UK, China, and Germany. None of the games make any sense.

Germany by the way, already has two cold war lines it splits down post WW2, East and West. Red and Blue. China has a tree that was technically at Civil war before and after WW2 with a hodgepodge of vehicles that splits into PRC and RoC, arguably for most of the coldwar as Red and Blue as well.

Sweden was “neutral” from before WW2 until just this year, and yet they have a bunch of quasi-redfor vehicles from Finland, who fought mostly against the Soviets in WW2.

Point is, there’s already a ton of contradictions to the whole on one side in WW2 on another side in the Cold War thing that just doesn’t make it a boundary worth observing.

I appreciate your passion, but what are we really missing that could, for a single nation as a stand-alone, let alone a subtree, fill out from the WW2 side on that hasn’t been added, or wouldn’t benefit from being filled in by other similar vehicles in a “coalition” style tree?

[Mahiwew]

You had already responded before this comment, cut the cap xd

[oom1992]

I’m wondering F-16A Block 20 MLU (2011) like F-16A MLU from china tech tree in live server or other ROCAF F-16A Block 20 MLU

[hypilot]

I think they’ll just update it and move it once the F-CK comes.

[KhorneFlakez1337]

They’ll hopefully do seperate versions of the MLUs/ADFs in trees like italy and china for the BVRAAM stuff

[StormRyder13]

@PestoMystic

I appreciate your passion, but what are we really missing that could, for a single nation as a stand-alone, let alone a subtree, fill out from the WW2 side on that hasn’t been added, or wouldn’t benefit from being filled in by other similar vehicles in a “coalition” style tree?

Yes a large number of them. Almost all of them.

TT represents the nation, not the industry. The UK TT is the British army and RAF, not the British industry.

I’ll give you a hit TT made up of 10 plus nations won’t bring the unkie stuff and will only help further erase “Minnor” nations’ industry and independence.

My favourite vehicles from Thatz TT, I won’t EVER see them in War Thunder. Why? They are unique prototypes that have no room for in a coalition tree as Gaijin needs to load them up with C&P. Name the most unique vehicle in WT(good) well it has no place in a collection tree.

Here is a map of the world:

Spoiler

Here is a “coalition” map

Spoiler

We ask for the tree to show we are more than slaves to the US and USSR that are independent matters. If wanted to play a game like that I’d play a US vs. Germany or US vs. USSR only game.

Let me give you a hint multi-nation trees that serve to remove C&P become C&P-only trees doing
nothing but help erase what these nations did from history.

not clear enough? her like me but in full caps and big bold letters:

MULTI-NATION TREES LIKE COALITION TREE SERVER TO ONLY PRING THAT NATION’S C&P AND WE WON’T EVER SEE THE UNIQUE STUFF IN THE GAME