Thats what happened when the Type 16 FPS was first released. Facing it in centurions was not fun at all.
Just give it a better round and move it up, 9.0 does not need another very fast light tank with a decent gun.
M735 sucks, but it isn’t that bad.
Solution for Type-16FPS is simple, just add Type-93 shell and put it to 9.7 just like regular one, there is no difference between FPS and normal Type-16 aside from firepower at this point.
Yeah but catering to major nations is basically catering to the bigger market.
And they will ensure it remains the bigger market as they don’t diversify.
As I said, they still offer premiums for minor nations
Seemingly as bait for the major nations.
Russia has some 8.0 tanks and Germany’s 8.0 lineup is pretty strong. It’s far from a dead BR.
Like 2 optional T-54s no one is going to get or an optional 906 as far as I can recall.
You main logic is: “they already have miserable experience, so why not make it even worse for them, who cares” , which is far from best.
The logic is that practically nothing changes at a pretty empty BR whilst making potentially massive improvements to an entire nation, pros and cons.
And regardless from what the experience is like, something that has never been considered by Gaijin, performance wise the Type 16s are bad enough to be at 9.0.
The Type 16 at 9.7 used to be 9.0 not that long ago and the others were 8.7, so it’s not like 9.0 is something crazy.
Leopard got butchered ?
Considering a negative k/d and a winrate in the 30s, yes.
Isn’t that normal for premiums?
It’s a tank that requires map knowledge to play well, which new players lack.
What premium? A Leopard 1.
And generally premiums outperform their TT vehicles anyways.
US/GER/USSR will always be a bigger market than Japan, unless of course they switch it up drastically and start introducing waifus and whatnot to the game. Until then, Japan’s chances of going even close to those big three are close to zero.
They want their customers to be happy, and considering most of those are playing major nations I guess they will be bait, yeah.
Someone might enjoy playing those, so catering only to the more popular options isn’t really fair.
It changes, 8.0 games will get even worse if Type 16 went down to 9.0, which doesn’t look as something players back down would like to see.
Leopard I certainly isn’t the worst 8.0 MBT so I believe TS might be wrong on that one.
Someone might enjoy playing those, so catering only to the more popular options isn’t really fair.
Catering to the less popular options makes even less sense.
It changes, 8.0 games will get even worse if Type 16 went down to 9.0, which doesn’t look as something players back down would like to see.
The very few people that are there, but it’s just a performance based thing anyways, compression isn’t going to go away.
Leopard I certainly isn’t the worst 8.0 MBT so I believe TS might be wrong on that one.
Why would it be? It’s never been good, it struggled enough at 7.3 and putting it at 8.0 surely wasn’t going to improve it.
Just like quite many rounds from there. M735 literaly worse, than 3BM25.
So many people missing the bottom line that M735 should just be buffed to historical standards, instead of balance changes being made around the statistics for a round that Gaijin themselves said was mistakenly changed based off an inferior experimental version of it…
…Then again, it’s quite silly that Gaijin have let M735 fester for so long with the stats of XM735 when they changed it in a flash the second someone posted “documents”… It’s almost like they have some sort of bias…
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It’s so blatant how easily they nerf NATO and how difficult it is to get it reverted.
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The fact someone misinterpreted a source and they still nerfed it is bad enough.
The fact it’s been recognised as a mistake and not reverted is disgraceful.
If I could give another negative review I would.
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Shouldn’t it be a priority to fix that?
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This is your answer. Japan isn’t really popular by any means, so Gaijin is happy to screw them over in favor of nations that are much more popular. Pleasing the masses is obviously the name of their game.
Those are still people that should have fair experience.
Well, BMP-2M also has criminally low stats according to TS, but I wouldn’t call it to be a butchered vehicle by any means. Before you jump on me with “that’s a buyable vehicle with many noobs playing it” argument, several other premiums at around that BR exist and they have much higher stats.
Leopard I is surely a decent vehicle at 8.0 and stating that it struggled at 7.3 is actually beyond me. One of the most common complaint about it is the fact it’s going against stabilized tanks with darts and whatnot, but that also applies to many other 8.0s, not just Leo I.
This is your answer. Japan isn’t really popular by any means, so Gaijin is happy to screw them over in favor of nations that are much more popular. Pleasing the masses is obviously the name of their game.
Japan isn’t inherently less popular, Gaijin just actively works to make them less popular so they can pretend it’s not worth investing into.
Italy gained in popularity massively when they released the Aubl event vehicle, but now it’s shooting pebbles with 60mm APFSDS with less post pen damage than 30mm APDS magically.
Just stop adding nations and remove all the others from the game if you’re going to ruin them.
Those are still people that should have fair experience.
Apparently these people do not include Japan then, who have to pay money for 9.3 premiums to get in a perpetual uptier in their modern vehicles with '70s ammo.
Well, BMP-2M also has criminally low stats according to TS, but I wouldn’t call it to be a butchered vehicle by any means. Before you jump on me with “that’s a buyable vehicle with many noobs playing it” argument, several other premiums at around that BR exist and they have much higher stats.
It’s not a buyable vehicle but it’s a squadron vehicle, so realistically it will have worse statistics because of it, and it’s not an easy to play vehicle.
Leopard I is surely a decent vehicle at 8.0 and stating that it struggled at 7.3 is actually beyond me. One of the most common complaint about it is the fact it’s going against stabilized tanks with darts and whatnot, but that also applies to many other 8.0s, not just Leo I.
Leopard has no real redeeming factors, only thing it ever had was decent mobility but unless you’re going to run things over, that doesn’t’ get you kills, and at BR 8-9 that mobility means nothing and just gets you killed.
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For a competent game developer, yes.
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Good reload, lower profile, decent gun, it is fast. It’s quite a good tank, it just does not have armour. It’s gun handling is fairly good too, and it’s a beast at longer ranges.
Saying the Leo-1 struggled at 7.3 is one of the largest skill issues ever. I’d say that the Leo-1 is better than the first AMX-30 at the same BR.
Mobility is (imo) the most important factor of any tank. If it is not mobile, it has to have other things to make up for that, like survivability, armour, how good the gun is, and other stuff.
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Stock reload of 8.7 seconds hardly seems worth mentioning, entirely average.
This is the same BR as the French with 4s autoloaders.
Average profile.
Average gun.
Average mobility.
Saying the Leo-1 struggled at 7.3 is one of the largest skill issues ever. I’d say that the Leo-1 is better than the first AMX-30 at the same BR.
It’s not an opinion, it statistically clearly did.
AMX-30 also not performing well.
Same reload as the Leopard 1.
Same profile.
Same 105mm gun but limited to HEAT here which I don’t know how it performs, but APDS and HEATFS not great either atm.
Same speed and HP/t as the Leopard but is able to reverse 3 times as fast.
Better turret rotation speed.
And it gets a 20mm on top.
So I’m not sure what makes the Leopard such an amazing vehicle whilst the AMX is constantly touted as a useless vehicles when the only possible downside is the ammo selection.
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Not average. It was practically the best at 7.3 and still one of the best at 8.0.
Well, we are speaking about german TT…
HEAT is bad. Thats all. APDS is better, even with its current problems. Still best gun.
Even less armor than leopard (can be killed by even some weak autocannons). Worse gun. Awful line-up (you either uptiering vehicles from 7.7 or uptiering AMX-30 with 8.3 vehicles at best, while Leopard have 6 vehicles from 8.0 to form a line-up )
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But it has APDS/HEATFS and good long range capability.
It is way more mobile than any other MBT, and it rivals light tanks in mobility.
It is worse than APDS/HEATFS
It is much taller.
The Leo feels (and is) much faster.
It isn’t useless, it just isn’t as good as the leo 1.
LOL what an “upside”
no it doesn’t
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