The Panthers never moved in 3 years as far as I can remember.That is about as long as I have been playing,never did the Cobra King which I bought a long time ago at 5.3 so I don’t see why moving them was a War Thunder priority when so many other things are at fault in the game.It seems to have created more problems than it solved.
I had some great line ups for a longtime and now Gaijin F**ked them up.I was going to take another years subscription in the sale now I am not.I dont trust Gaijins meddling enough to spend the cash.They have messed with all the maps as well so experience means nothing now.Nice.
The Jumbo when it was first added was 4.3, then 4.7, then 5.0, then 5.3, now 5.7. Its been a target of BR changes more than any other US tank, i believe it should go back to 5.3 as thats where it was really solid at.
The panthers never moved since they were added which is wild considering their capability in battle. I do believe however they shouldnt go above what they are at now as they would suffer any higher. No tank should be dealing with what the jumbo is. The point of the jumbo WAS its armor, now it doesnt even have that.
I do also feel you on the sale, the only thing i bought was a premium i wanted and thats it. Didnt buy time or anything as i dont know if I’ll enjoy this game much more in the future as they keep ruining the BRs for tanks that have no right to be moved. Not to mention the blantant issue of ignoring cheaters and responding to complaints with “we are looking into it” then doing absolutely nothing and marking it as resolved.
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Yep 5.3 for the Jumbo all day.
The whole idea of raising BR based on kill stats means than kills equals a raise in BR, Yet kills also equals somebody having fun so Gaijin are essentially crapping on those who are enjoying the game.
You have found a good vehicle out of all the crap that is available,have a fun time with it and everybody bitches so it gets f****d up and your fun ends.They then wonder why so many leave the game.
You don’t need to be a statistician to understand that.Which one of my favourite vehicles is next for the chop? In fact which of my favourite maps is about to be ruined? etc etc
I’d say bring it and the panthers and tigers back down.
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The panthers should all be 5.7/6.0, and both Tigers should be 5.7.
The jumbo 76 and 75 need to go down 0.3 imo.
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I’m enjoying people thinking the Jumbo should go down to 5.3.
Nah, panthers and Tigers are the only thing keeping the jumbo in check.
When someone says that Panther is OP. Nooo, skill issue, just shoot barrel, track and flank. It has no reverse. Don’t touch it. It’s normal
But in case of jumbo its totally OP. Why so such double standarts?
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The Jumbo isnt OP, it has 104mm of pen, average speed, and armor that can be easily defeated by shooting the front of the tracks if its angled. The issue is it has nothing going for it at 5.7. The panthers shouldnt go higer than they are rightnow as that would make them useless and they would suffer the fate the jumbo is rightnow (75 varient).
The p,anthers have almost DOUBLE the pen, armor that matches aside from the turret, and better speed (forward as they have like no reverse speed). The panthers are mediums that act as heavies but, they have a better gun and can dual with just about any tank and can PEN the tanks, whereas the jumbo CANNOT brawl as it has to flank.
You shouldnt have to flank in a tank meant for brawling. You shouldnt have to play like a rat and take tracks and barrels to have a CHANCE to win the fight. You are blatantly ignoring the issues the jumbo faces because “hur durr jumbo hard to kill” when the german guns starting at 3.7 can cut through its armor and the panzer 4 can by aiming for weak spots (Mg port, top of turret, front of tracks, transmission, trap shot on the cannon, very top ridge where the hull has the extra armor welded on).
If people learned the weakspots instead of complaining about a heavy tank being hard to kill we wouldnt be here. Yet here we are. If youre in a german tank (panthers, tiger, tiger 2) you dont even have to worry about the 75 jumbo penning you from the front while you can cut through it like butter. Sorry but if you want to be able to lol pen the jumbo then dont complain about the tiger being 6.0 and getting lol penned as thats what you have brought onto the jumbo.
(No i dont think the tiger 1 varients should be 6.0 either but thats a whole other topic, but the panthers belong there).
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Regular 75 jumbo yes, 76, nah keep that thing qhere it is. 75 jumbo shouldnt have to face Tiger2 as it is nowhere near an equal.
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75mm should be 0.3 lower than tiger 1 because it worse than Tiger 1 in wide metrics because lack of universality, only thing that 75mm had it armor making it useless in uptier when Tiger 1 is more balanced and still can fight. But 76mm got normal gun and better than tiger 1 because better armor + gun. So it should be 0.3 higher than tiger 1.
The M4A3E2 should definitely be sent back to Br 5.3. Yeah, it has good armour, but having that increased chance at facing Tiger II’s (having the luxury of being able to be uptiered to 6.7 now and fight the Tiger II(H), Jagdtiger and all the flavours of Ferdinand alongside the (P) and Jagdpanther.) is a bit too harsh on the Jumbo. The gun is no where near up to the standards of where it should be for that Br, and I don’t think frontal armour and a low speed stabilizer is enough of an equalizer.
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M4A3E2 is similar to the Churchill but with a 50cal.It has good armour and a poor gun at it’s BR so it could be 5.0 easy.5.3 was correct IMHO One thing WT got right.It worked well facing a 5.3 Tiger and I had some good face offs with the Tiger.I guess having fun with WT is frowned upon.
5.0 will be OP right now because of uptier of other tanks. 5.3 very good.
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I’m good with 5.3 and enjoyed playing the M4A3E2 at 5.3 .I think Gaijin will return it to 5.3 soon
Dude, I can literally say the same about jumbo players about panthers.
The jumbo is fine, if you wanna bring it down then bring the things that keep it in check down.
And the Tiger 1 having a higher chance of seeing T29s and T95s. What’s that got to do with anything?
Agree with this 100%
Late Pz 4, T-34-57 and everyone keeping it check just because of MG port which also can’t be hidden with decorators now. Also LFP have weakspots. And Jumbo must go in CQC because of it’s gun and show weakspots. Vk 3002 still on 5.0. Panther D still on 5.3
Leran the weakspots on it, there are so many tanks that can pen it from 3.7 to 5.3. Use them. The panthers need to stay where they are, THEY have guns with almost 200mm of pen, learn to shoot weakspots and learn to flank. Its a heavy, its SUPPOSED to be hard to kill.