Ahh i see, thank u!
at this point idec if it is doa, which I don’t think it will be but some do. I just want a new thing to grind for in the tech tree with the high possibility of it having an aps system.
The Abrams beats the BVM in firepower, gun depression and reverse speed. Which makes it much much much morr flexible and better in the hands of decent-good players.
Name me a SINGLE 12.0 - 12.7 MBT whos lower front plate cannot be penetrated by DM33 at 2000 meters distance.
You also should not blame the vehicle for it being stuck with (generally) awful players.
1.1 seconds when using 3BM-60*
1.4 seconds aced*
Please don’t have ‘‘Consider camera vertical angle’’ enabled, or simply zoom all the way out and place the camera level with the ground.
Because right now you’re massively distorting things like so:
Here’san explanation on how to get accurate results with the Armour Analysis tool:
CR2 is the Challanger 2 MBT , rank 2 / 3 tanks can one shot it through the lower frontal plate.
that 13mm is the thickness, of a singular outside plate. The tank has an effective UFP thickness of 190MM at an extreme angle which the vast majority of darts in game cannot penetrate
No one said it’s lesser armoured?
What ?
The T90M is less mobile, worse reload by nearly 2 seconds, worse survivability. .
I gave you a list of weak points the M1A2 can pen, with ease I may add, on the T90M.
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It literally will make a huge difference at top tier it would give the Abrams a huge advantage over literally every other tree in game.
yes I am sure you clod, look it up with 3BM60 it has a 6.4 second reload.
Ace crew doesn’t effect auto laoders again.
go look at it with 3BM60
Course you were, so if you can’t even get that right then what else are you getting wrong.
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Okay forget the ufp, i just thought it was weird u where complaining abt it. Cause literally no one shoots there.
I still have no idea why u brought up the t90 in the first place. This was a convo about the sep v3.
And i have NEVER said the t90m was better than the sep v2, russian tanks are honestly ass ingame. (Except bmpt)
Real sources say the m829a2 has penetration values closer to 700mm, ingame it’s 629mm.
The m829a3 is estimated at 700-800mm, do u really think gajin will give it it’s actual penetration values? No ofc not.
The m829a3 wouldn’t magically make the abrams way better than every tank ingame.
I corrected my self, Mistakes happen.
And no one shoots the UFP on other vehicles either ? so what was the point refering to it.
The original response with T80BVM and T90M being brought up aren’t to you, that’s why you’ve no idea why it’s being talked about.
The addition of M829A4 would allow it , refered I said to another, UFP cleanly through the armour of stuff like T90m, and someone else said 80BVM can UFP the M1A2. Which it cant.
Armour wise it is , that’s it.
we can both agree russian tanks are crap though, I seriously hate using them bar very specific ones.
Real sources state L27, DM53, 3BM60, etc etc all have higher penetration values which they used to in game until they swapped over to the current system of penetration calculation.
It would quite literally make any tank which has to semi rely on armour. obsolete compared to abrams.
It would onetap russian MBTs through teh front, it would go clean through the UFP of the STRVs, it would absolutely make the M1s the META for the game.
How can you say, giving it a round Which can pen literally everything at top teir with ease, wouldn’t make it better than every tank in game?
Which BTW it’s still the highest penning convential round in game at 120mm out of the shorter L/44 caliber cannons.
Only the long barreled 2A6, 2A7 have higher penetration at top tier.
the round isn’t the issue with abrams, the firepower is literally second to none.
It’s mobility isn’t an issue either.
The issue with abrams is people want it to have super armour, super munitions and mobility, when in reality it’s not like that , at all:
It should get it’s turret ring volumetrics corrected n such. But other than that not much else can be changed.
Is low profile crows only on M1A2 SEPV3? or some SEP V2 also had them?
Well
U where the one referring to it but anyways.
Ohhhh i see, thank u for clarifying!
Yep.
Yeah i don’t think gaijin will increase the penetration values of the round we have right now, cause so many tanks have them. I think they’re plan is to introduce new rounds to all top top tier tanks with better penetration.
I think they will give it like 690mm pen. That wouldn’t be able to one tap era on russian tanks? Nor ufp on STRVs. I understand what ur trying to say but i don’t see gaijin allowing the us to have an op round while everyone else is stuck with bad rounds and bad armour.
I think the Abrams’ armor is generally solid, but there are areas where it could be better, which the SEP V3 improves on, with better turret cheek and hull protection. I’d also really like to have an APS to give it at least a chance against ATGMs. On top of that, I just want something new to grind in the U.S. tech tree. And I completely agree about the turret ring/turret basket
Not sure but i think some of them have them.
Again was due to talking with another person, maybe I’ve replied to you both and the comments got mixed.
The mention of the UFP was due to the fact that the other party said it’s justifiable to give the M1A2 M829A4 , as it is anti ERA even if it didn’t get a massive pen buff, but got access to anti ERA capabilities.
Which I said it would allow it to UFP the vast majority of tanks which are heavily reliant on their armour, I mean the T90M isn’t great in many ways, but you can rely on it’s UFP if you knowhow to use it.
With this ammo abrams would scythe through it leaving it an even worse machine.
Aye it’s likely what’s happened throughout the comments xD tends to happen when replying to more than one person ina longer thread.
The issue is though, british CR2 tanks, cannot fire a newer round bar L28A1 which would realisitically be the same as L27 penetration wise, it’s due to it having an anti ERA tip or such which is why it’s different.
Nations like china as well have access to their top rounds, USSR as well:
They cannot justifiably add a round like M829A4 or A3 anywhere near what it’s capable of IRL without upsetting a huge part of the playerbase.
Like even if they go well we can add DM73 or whatever ot tanks like CR3 it still doesn’t change the fact that the other MBTs have a round like L27 as their primary.
I use the CR2 as an example as it’s the easiest to use tbh.
You can already UFP the STRV 122s just shoot the drivers side, hell I do it with the Khalid xD ( take the 9.3 to top tier for a giggle)
that’s my point, USA already has the strongest 120MM round out of an L/44 cannon as it is. They got a 5 second reload before anyone else did apart from CR2, which shouldn’t of been arbitrarily slammed on every vehicle.
CR2 had it as a balancer as it’s performance was dwindling.
abrams has okay armour, extremely middling, not bad like ariete, merkava etc but not good either.
It has great mobility and firepower.
IT realistically doesn’t need a buff at all TBH.
oh ofc if the sep V3 comes i hope they give it the APS and such. We will see though. Those are genuine things that would make it better, not like otehrs want just a lol pen one tap death round.
Also look at the cheiftain 900 it has the correct hull armours and values while older models are left to rot, it’s possible they do the samewith abrams
V2 also had them
As cool as high profile crows looks I’m looking forward to getting low profile crows on sep v3. To be clear i know there aren’t many people in top tier that actually takes HE with them but the crows is a massive HE weak spot, i almost never get shot there but the few times I’ve been shot there i get a little irritated lol
It’s very hard to say and is not comfirmed from a picture stand point, but i actually belive i may have found a picture of an m1a2 sep v3 equipped with trophy aps. If we could have seen the tow hooks in the front we could 100% comfirm it was a sep v3 but unfortunately the pic was cropped.
If we take a look at the turret cheeks we can clearly see they have been beefed up (common on sep v3) and on the top the low profile crows. However some sep v2 also come with low profile crows, so it’s not possible to be 100% sure
Heres what i mean by the tow hooks:
Sep v2:
Sep v3:
Thats a V2 with the trophy, heres the turret differences
The top is a V2 because the turret cheek doesnt cover the gun housing.
Supposedly the image came from the Yuma Proving Ground’s Facebook page, but it’s since been deleted. The only mention I found of it being a SEP v3 was an article quoting their Facebook post.
Heres and image of a SEPV2 with a low profile CROWS
