Also just as inconsistent as the t58s turret armor now because of the trunnions that absorb 70% of shots to the breech, even against top tier rounds like m829a3 and dm53
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You might be seeing a lot less T58s
I just got shot in the engine and the fire burnt me out in about 2 seconds or something- never even seen this before in any tank.
1st game 1 popped by solid shot straight through hull xD
They could of just nerfed its fire rate- whats a heavy tank with no armour? Only 2 games but that fire death was new. Il play some more but its not looking good
T-58 was OP for sure lol. The M103 wasn’t. Instead of just nerfing the T-58 in a meaningful manner they went and did this.
Surprised no one called out this lie, even if it’s a Devil’s Advocate argument.
No 105mm APCBC is pulling off those penetrations into ammo.
@BARElement-psn
T58 is an entire BR above M103.
People were complaining about weaker volumetric armor bouncing their shells, now they’re complaining realistic armor is bad cause they’re the ones getting penned instead of people bouncing.
What’s this have to do with the vehicle being busted on release? We all knew this buddy. 7.7 ≠ 8.7 and?
Also HEAT isn’t new. The M48 has it, M47 has it, M46 even has it at 7.0… As low as 5.0. We all know what HEAT can do if someone loads full ammo and you happen to get a map with little to no trees/bushes/obstacles. Another Capt Obvious moment.
Gaijin cutting 0 source for the Hull change, or why the Turret ring is overly large & weak. Despite many tanks including that one having missing inner and outer turret ring armor. If you’re gonna do it, do it right.
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M46 - M48 do not have 400mm penning HEAT rounds.
The difference between M48 & M60/103 is the ability to pen a marginally angled Maus or not.
The hull change was made because the previous was not volumetric & caused major issues for people aiming at overlapping plates.
you moved the tank before you shoot- you are to the right of spawn?
Read what I said
Edit: I just noticed you even said it was a lie. When you are moving the tank to the right and forward and looks like you even zoomed in / edited the screenshots to hide what you was up to on your mission to prove me wrong- which looks very disingenuous to say the least
T29 1 pops every time in turret?
The M103 has to shoot driver port- which many tanks can do- show me it killing the tiger 2 in the turret!
Tokerstar just has a massive skill issue. He spent months complaining that German tanks sucked and were terrible and unplayable and inferior to all their competition. Now he’s playing another tree and discovering that the grass is not, in fact, always greener on the other side, and that a good part of his issues are not located in the vehicles he’s playing, but in his lack of skill.
Instead of applying himself to getting better however he keeps externalising blame like this. First it was Tiger IIs, now M103s, let’s see what he singles out for complaint next.
More lies…
Im playing Germany and US not finding out anything. I was comparing Germany to the US at the time. And I said tiger 2 slaps but everything in its line up is slow and heavy/ bulldog- which is why they lose alot. Your take is all germany players are just bad.
Most of our conversations were literally you saying the Tiger II was crap. You’re just moving the goal posts now because, again, you’ve seen that the grass is not greener on the other side.
? Show me where I ever said that. Its one of my favourite tanks, actually over 1.0 KD - only just last time i looked anyway, but still - I dont have many lol.
Trouble is 2nd spawn is also tiger 2. They need some more fast/ light tanks
And again Im not moving anything? I play 6.7 US, its a good line up- and see why they win more. Many times when German team gets killed early its game over as everyone dies on their way back to the fight in their various heavies
You
The fact the Gun-shield can be penned and even Over-pressured by APHE with low ish pen for 7.7… HEAT can go straight through and disable the 2 things keeping the MAUS a threat. The two cannons… What’s he gonna do if he can’t repair if he’s busy holding the angle?
I guarantee you if I met a GOOD player in an M46 and one in the M103 I’d be more fearful of the M46 FOR SURE. Not to mention the massive gap in reload (the M103 if you didnt notice doesn’t have a second gun to make up for the long reload). Overall, the MAUS isn’t impossible to deal with using the M46… In fact it’s quite ideal vs the M48 based on the mobility difference. But the M48 can target the MAUS from range while still being far more mobile… Oh, and I forgot the 6 second RELOAD. Now have I had a challenge with M46s and M48s in the Maus in the past? No. But I just think that’s due to a lot of War Thunder players being very casual and not trying to sweat every game.
Caveat: Unless the map is Fire Arc. That’s the only map I can think of that would objectively favor the M103 over the M46 in hunting down the MAUS. Even then, I can pen the M103 at range EZ now. If you got him dialed in? It’s over especially if he isn’t full frontal LOS. A little bit of angling and his already lacking armor is more-so lacking.
Lastly, doesn’t 400mm HEAT exist at like 4.0 or something? Again. Nothing new. I’m pretty sure that vehicle has more mobility than M103 aswell. Without its armor what is it? A range finding slow reload, slow mobility glass cannon that can fire HEAT which isn’t special lmao.
I hate to be this guy… But… You can also “1 pop” the Tiger II on the turret using the M103 due to the fact the turret bustle ammo is considered first stage meaning no matter how much you take it’s going there first. The shell over pens and detonates it. Now will you 1 shot 100% of the time like the T29? No. But it can do it.
I just cant 1 pop it unless i move the m103 first as tiger is angled- could be skill issue?
Not even a lucky 1 after a lot of trys though. Driver port is 1 shot but as far as i can tell that’s the only place.
Alvis up to no good makes me think he couldn’t kill it either lol
There is no “drivers port” in the sense of like the T-34 or T-72 has one. So idk wym.
Gun port MB
You can LFP it and take out the horizontal and vertical drives making it relatively easy kill as he can’t move or turn if you see the LFP. You used to be able to UFP with the APBC round but… Ofc some people whined and it can’t anymore despite the round was still missing pen.
@tokerstar
I had to move for the Jagdtiger shot, which was more necessary than the less armored Tiger 2.
I also didn’t have AP loaded, which hits the ammo of the Tiger 2 after passing through a dude.
You moved for both shots- you didnt have to
If you kept trying to pen the turret you would find there is a pixel where it pens and actually 1 pops the tiger 2
Id shot probs over 50 rounds before the other chap said its possible and never even had 1 lucky one - so i kept trying and he is right- but its random and seems at best 1 in 5
Its very over BRd now with armour nerf. People.are saying 7.0 on youtube comments- not enough its 6.7 worthy
Remember tiger 2 is a full BR lower and its struggling with it- ruski heavies are much harder to kill…
Id prefer if they reduced reload, sorted armour and buffed the rounds but as it is its nowhere near 7.7 when t29 is 7.0
If you are struggling to kill 6.7 tanks with 300 and 380mm penning rounds, you really need to get some practice in.
I assume it could reload faster and it, along side a couple other tanks, could use a reload buff.