I personally have not played that BR range in quite some time, so I can’t really attest to how anything performs there anymore, or what lineups are good.
If you want to grind the US tank tree, you should probably get the T58. It is really OP right now from what I hear, so it is beginner friendly.
From what I remember, the long 90 was still pretty good at that BR. It has good post pen damage and an OK reload speed, but it does struggle to pen some things (mostly the IS-3). The biggest problem I had playing it was the constant uptiers to 8.0-8.7 where you had to face things like leopard 1s, t-55s, and m60s with stabilized guns and apds/heatfs that can just ignore your armor, and their armor (aside from the leopard 1) is made specifically to stop regular AP rounds like yours.
And the T54e2 has a high pen APDS that can go through the armor of basically anything at the BR, but since it is early APDS it often shatters on angles and you NEED to aim for ammo/crew.
No need to apologize, we all had to start from somewhere.
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Iv played ground since around april so not that noob but feel like Il be noob in game for a good while yet. Im the master at hits no kills and even if I know the weak spot it wont usually matter lol
Its more for fun really as I like the t114 and the heli . All iv got to go off with the T29 is the test drive and it just 1 pops everything from anywhere- my sort of tank xD
Love T58 and the rest of 8.7 US, peak WT IMO
T114 is great too, probs worth buying even just for fun. Its just sadly a little dead for back up. M103 needs some APHE and its armour back :(
Got the 10.7 M1 abrams a while back. played a few games with stock HEAT IIRC… quickly learned il likely never be playing higher than 9.3 as having to spade tanks at that BR and higher would make me loose my mind
Il probs just end up buying t29 and uptier… and regret like usual
My ahh brain suddenly thought of the M113
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I’ll say as much as I agree the M103 is very barely 7.0 material now imo. If you UFP the panther it’s a One shot. The real issue that’s been persistent is the lack of angled pen, and constant ricochets off of the Panther and Leopard 1 UFP on level ground…
Which is inconsistent asf with test data. Panther D s shouldn’t be bouncing m358…
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IMO they took away what made it good. Armor, and the UFP ability. It should go through T-54s consistently at range no question. The Tiger II UFP shouldn’t be able to block it either… THAT’s imo why it was 7.7 material not 7.0 material. It can UFP a monster like the Tiger II, IS-3, and T-54. It is not to be laughed at.
But as of 2026 this isn’t much the case. The tank is a joke. Tiger IIs can clown on you reliably with the new artificial weakspots added to it. The Tiger II H 10.5cm is objectively a superior vehicle. That wasn’t the case a while back. Even with the Pen buff to the long 10.5cm…
It is now a vehicle you play PURELY for aura. Like the T-90M/M-Arena. At least in those vehicles cases there isn’t much you can historically speaking do other than reload buffs to bring it up to a good performance vs meta vehicles.
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It quite literally was heavily nerfed with that hull rework, and ammo detonation sensitivity changes lol. It WAS OP ASF.
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It would be interesting if the M103 were given the actual 60° penetration for its APBC round, since it should have a penetration modifier similar to that of Soviet APHEBC shells.
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Wait. They nerfed my favorite tank too?
How bad is t58 now?
Tbh haven’t played it since. Been playing the M103 and it’s just a burden unless you’re playing to aura farm.
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not reliably
it has a decently high chance to bounce
As long as you were not playing it like you were invincible, you shouldnt really notice a change. The gun and mobility are the same. You just cant whip around corners and expect your hull to eat shots.
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I dont get why GJ have to nerf everything
T58 was good. But most hits = you cant shoot back and die anyway as no smoke
It was already easy to kill - just aim under the gun - even the weak german HEATs 1 pop it.
Il give it a run out later - hopefully its not a RIP for 8.7 US as its one of the few lineups i like
We are not currently complaining that the T58 isn’t good enough are we? it was the best tank in the game when it released and its still pretty close now
Not sure. Not played enough to see yet
It was good as it had good armour, reload and round and was 8.3
Lets hope its not getting 1 popped by all as its meant to be a heavy- wobbly gun and no smoke it needs armour to work
You mean it was insanely overpowered beyond belief
It wouldn’t matter if you could .50 cal it frontally. It has a 1 tap cannon that fires every 2.5 seconds
I wouldnt call.it that but thats your opinion
It has a very easy to hit weak spot thats not hidden when hull down
If the shit german HEAT round can 1 pop it then most other things can too.
This doesn’t matter. It fires every 2 point 5 seconds. You do not get an opportunity to shoot at it unless you ambush it. The armor was also EXTREMELY trolly and DARTS were capable of being fully absorbed by the volumetric mess that is the turret, especially the lower turret which is as far as I can tell the exact same area you are telling people to shoot.
This is not something that actually happens regularly. The tank is incredibly annoying to target.
You cant miss its weak spot!
Its nothing like ruski armour unless you are shooting the chunky parts
It also has no armour on sides and no smoke.
Like you say the gun slaps hard - but its defence was already weak
So tell me what the weakspot is
This doesn’t matter
No it wasn’t. Incredibly trolly volumetric armor that made shells get absorbed that realistically should exit the rear armor after going through the entire length of the tank
Under gun its pretty big too
1 weak german heat- BB t58. Im only saying this as i played a turms 3 game tbe other night and it doesnt 1 pop shit.
Its wak HEAT smoked the T58.