Lower leopard 2a4 in the battle rating

I was gonna quote some of the things you said and respond but I realised I can just like, point to the existence of the TTD.

TTD/2A4 Protection vs M774


The TTD has a slight edge in armour, which doesn’t matter much against things like BM42 or the rounds it sees in uptiers. Anything with more than ~350mm pen can just shoot through the composite blocks either side of the gun and make it through comfortably. Shooting the side with the commander and gunner can hit the bustle ammo stowage as well as kill those two crew.

The TTD is heavier with a weaker engine. A stock 2A4 has better mobility than a spaded TTD.

The TTD has a 105mm with the standard 6.7s reload, in return for DM63, which looks to be better than DM23/M774/L23A1, and about on par with 120mm DM33. It’s worth noting that the Olifant Mk.2 at 9.3 also gets DM63.

The TTD has worse gun handling. It also lacks any form of MG.

There’s also the Vickers Mk.7 which makes quite a few tradeoffs in return for the L26 round. Maybe you should give these two MBTs in the UK tree a try?

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It’s been a long while since I saw this much skill issues in one single post.

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Yeah, that sucks, can’t even remove any bushes obscuring your view without shooting them with main gun or trying to run them over.

Actual good tank, though

This entire comment chain was a headache to read.

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Leopard 2a4 has your avr 12.0 mobility with 27hp/t 1500hp engine going at 68km/h forwards & 32km/h backwards at BR 10.7.

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Its gun handling is 40°/s for vertical & horizontal with -9 for aiming limits aka literal 12.0 handling at 10.7.

3:
The only sub bar parts of the vehicle are its armor & firepower of which the former had its armor profile nerfed to 105mm dm23 levels and with the latter only being 50mm behind in penetration compared to its contemporaries like 3bm42, l26 & 1985-I.

So all in all it has nearly everything you could need in a vehicle to be efficient at its br range.

Holy s*** what is this giant post of misinformation?

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Then what are you giving the M1 Abrams at the same BR who is currently using an ancient dart worse than your dm13 dart?

Then what does the Ariete do at 10.7? The singular only upside it has over a 2a4 is that it carries DM33.

What about the other dozen of MBTs and tanks at this BR that are, as of right now, worse than the Leopard 2A4?

So name two, thats right, TWO better tanks at 10.7?

Probably the fact it’s better than almost every other tank up to and including its BR of 10.7.

The 2A4 is currently the strongest 10.7 MBT to my knowledge. What do you think happens when it gets buffed?

lets inject some sense into this thread.

what the issue really is that 10.7 gets uptiered ALL THE TIME.
we dont need a better round or a lower BR.
we need a Leopard 2A4 Baulos 8 with DM33/DM43 and C-tech armour (at 11.0 ofcourse). And less upteiring because that ruins the fun. obv that means less down tiering as well.

in case someone needs to know, theres already a suggestion so you can go read it before you think about what to say:

Leopard 2A4 (1991)

IMO, Germany needs a fun 11.0 lineup. it should ideally consist of the following:

Leopard 2A4 (1991),
Leopard 2A’5’ MUSS Demonstrator,
Puma VJTF,
UH Tiger (Early/2011),
Su-22M4 (with some changes such as extra CM and weaponry),
FlaRakRad 6x6 (no VT-1, thermals, stabiliser, smaller chassis and fixed missile tracking, lead/intercept mode)
OR FlaRakPz 1A2 (same features as above but on marder chassis),
Leopard 2 AWiSS,
Marder 2 (option to switch calibres as well as PARS 3 MR),
and finally,
PT-06/T-14 mod (basically a tech tree PT-16/T-14 mod)

Doesn’t look like a 11.0 MBT to be honest.

fair enough, lemme get the 2A4 which is a 2A5 wannabe
Leopard 2A’5’ MUSS Demonstrator: Active Leopard

That one is interesting and definitely worth being in the game.

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