Lower leopard 2a4 in the battle rating

[Normandy_Corsair]

@demontino

This is utter nonsense. I completely understand you. The Leopard 2A4 is nothing but a pain, not a tank, and it was that way even at 10.3. It’s not just “uncomfortable,” it’s literally unplayable.

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The Leopard 2A4 Is a Useless Piece of Metal

• The stock version is a death sentence. A tank with a main round that can’t do anything is ridiculous. At 10.3, you get a stinking HEAT round against tanks with ERA, and that’s considered a top-tier setup? How are you supposed to play with that? It’s just mockery.
• “Armor” made of cardboard. Opponents penetrate you everywhere—in the hull, in the turret, even in the gun. One little sneeze and you explode because the ammo rack detonates from the slightest touch.
• The rounds don’t kill. Even with upgraded rounds, you can’t deal proper damage. The Leopard 2A4 has DM23, while the 2AV, which is at 10.0, already has DM33. That’s absurd. You shoot, the round seems to hit, but the enemy is still alive and immediately returns fire, knocking out your entire crew.
• Size, speed, survivability. Compared to Soviet MBTs, it’s just a disgrace. A huge silhouette that’s easy to spot and hit, and at the same time, it’s not survivable. It’s a rotten light tank without its main advantages—speed and stealth.

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It’s Simply “Trash,” Not a Tank

• A top-tier setup at Rank 7—and this tank literally makes you want to howl. It’s the same piece of junk the Leopard 1 was. I’ve regretted it 10 times over that I invested my points in this trash instead of the Radkampfwagen, which also has DM33.
• Comparing it to the T-80 at the same BR is just a mockery. You have 80mm of frontal armor, while the T-80 at the same BR has 180mm, plus ERA, plus a thermal sight, and even ATGMs. This is literally garbage, not a tank.
• Complete lack of advantages. It’s worse than its classmates in every aspect. Not a single advantage or balance. The round is trash, the survivability is trash, the mobility is trash. In the city, this tank catches on every corner and can be seen from 10 kilometers away.

Holy s*** what is this giant post of misinformation?

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Thodin

Definetly. Compared to other tanks it lacks in pen and armor values at this high BR. Leopard 2A4 needs DM33.

Then what are you giving the M1 Abrams at the same BR who is currently using an ancient dart worse than your dm13 dart?

Then what does the Ariete do at 10.7? The singular only upside it has over a 2a4 is that it carries DM33.

What about the other dozen of MBTs and tanks at this BR that are, as of right now, worse than the Leopard 2A4?

[Normandy_Corsair]

@demontino

There’s no point in arguing that this tank is good.

So name two, thats right, TWO better tanks at 10.7?

@demontino

So, please, name a single objective reason why this vehicle deserves its 10.7 Battle Rating.

Probably the fact it’s better than almost every other tank up to and including its BR of 10.7.

@Thodin

400mm pen DM21 is just insufficient for this BR bracket.

The 2A4 is currently the strongest 10.7 MBT to my knowledge. What do you think happens when it gets buffed?

[Armen_Lozone]

lets inject some sense into this thread.

what the issue really is that 10.7 gets uptiered ALL THE TIME.
we dont need a better round or a lower BR.
we need a Leopard 2A4 Baulos 8 with DM33/DM43 and C-tech armour (at 11.0 ofcourse). And less upteiring because that ruins the fun. obv that means less down tiering as well.

in case someone needs to know, theres already a suggestion so you can go read it before you think about what to say:

Leopard 2A4 (1991)

IMO, Germany needs a fun 11.0 lineup. it should ideally consist of the following:

Leopard 2A4 (1991),
Leopard 2A’5’ MUSS Demonstrator,
Puma VJTF,
UH Tiger (Early/2011),
Su-22M4 (with some changes such as extra CM and weaponry),
FlaRakRad 6x6 (no VT-1, thermals, stabiliser, smaller chassis and fixed missile tracking, lead/intercept mode)
OR FlaRakPz 1A2 (same features as above but on marder chassis),
Leopard 2 AWiSS,
Marder 2 (option to switch calibres as well as PARS 3 MR),
and finally,
PT-06/T-14 mod (basically a tech tree PT-16/T-14 mod)

[MotorolaCRO]

@Armen_Lozone

we need a Leopard 2A4 Baulos 8 with DM33/DM43 and C-tech armour (at 11.0 ofcourse).

Doesn’t look like a 11.0 MBT to be honest.

[Armen_Lozone]

fair enough, lemme get the 2A4 which is a 2A5 wannabe
Leopard 2A’5’ MUSS Demonstrator: Active Leopard

[MotorolaCRO]

That one is interesting and definitely worth being in the game.

[Drolkin]

It was never good bru its so buns compared to ussr tanks and even the abrams 😭✌️

[AverageWehraboo]

Uninstall

[_Renzo]

Skill issue, nothing more needs to be said.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

no, bruh. 2a4 got decompressed to not roll over poor 9.3s, nor to be balanced same as Turms or 72B. No way it should get lower.

[Thodin]

With its weak armor package and weak shell it needs a drastic BR reduction. All Leopard 2A4 models, including the modified polish and canadian ones.

[MotorolaCRO]

So our 2A4 should go from 10.7 to where exactly ?

[AverageWehraboo]

@Thodin

weak armor package and weak shell

Lmao

[_Renzo]

This is Thodin you are speaking to, I bet he is going to propose 10.0 or even 9.7 for some whacky reason.

[MotorolaCRO]

Yeah that’s why I asked in the first place.
9.3 or 9.7 is a realistic BR if you ask him.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@Thodin

With its weak armor package and weak shell it needs a drastic BR reduction. All Leopard 2A4 models, including the modified polish and canadian ones.

it does not. It offers best combination of protection, mobility, armanment and survivability at its rank. Is anything, it can go higher, but not lower.

[Cloudzy26160]

Almost like the problem is something other than the tank:

[Milashny_Koteyka]

literally.
well it does have lower october`s Kd ratio, tho every tank there has it for some reason.

[Portuguese]

I prefere the Leo2a4 to the T80 because of the great gun handling. You got weak hull armor but the turret is decent, great mobility, depression and gorgeous gun in terms of handling, you just dont know to use it. I grinded entire sweden team with le2a4 premium, started with zero lvl crew and i can tell you I sport a kd over 2.5.