If that was the case, I’m sure you’d have much higher WRs and K/D, but sadly for you and your case, you are sitting at a not so pretty 37% WR with TURMS and 33% with 2S38.
I guess Russian teams don’t just curb stop the opposition like you are trying to portray.
Drawing conclusions from a single game is actually something I expected you to do.
Have yet to see a single team composition at any given BR and map not getting curb stomped once in a while.
We don’t have skill based MM, so difference in average skill of the teams can get pretty big, which is alongside other factors the reason of said curb stomping happening everywhere.
Actually Germany alone is relatively common up to 7.0. As a minor nation nibbler I also find myself alone with them a good portion of the time, so essentially one nation only. What this does do is limit a team that extra bit due to variety of options available (Germany here lacks lights and competitive low alt CAP).
If they were popular they would stay there. I feel, as I cannot see this info, that many are just passing through. Germany have that “gap” where you get to the Panther and Tiger with minimal room for getting used to said BRs.
Indeed all major nations have this but for some reason Germany seem to trump it sub 7.0 in my battles.
I wrote something about this above 😉
In addition, I have owned the vehicles for quite a while, but I only drive them very rarely because the Russian TT is just a side project.
I can agree with you about the team composition.
But overall the T models perform better than their counterparts on the German side and that is largely due to the first generation contact ERA, which was developed against HEAT.
The contact 1 on the T-72 normally can’t do anything against APFSDS, but it still manages.
Exactly the same problem is with other tanks that have ERA and I don’t just mean the Russian ones.
With ERA of subsequent generations, it is still correctly displayed in the garage that there is a certain reduction in penetration, but APFSDS arrows could still penetrate the sides.
Even the relikt ERA, as good as it may be, can absorb every arrow in the game, no matter how powerful it is, and Gaijin urgently needs to improve this.
I just say that 2A4 gonna need DM33 and M1 need M833 but hell seem like that can’t happen seem Gaijin don’t wanna hurt their little Soviet I really don’t know how gen two autoload with rounds equivalent to DM33 have win-rate below 50 percent and bad K/D rate when all of that at their disposal if not playing by clowns
Sadly for you, what you said doesn’t apply to WR because it’s a team based stat, so if TURMS and Russia were actually as strong as you’re trying to portray them to be, you would have more than 37% and 33% WR, that’s for sure.
You don’t need to be a decent player to have good WRs in overperforming lineups, the team would just carry you (as they did in that replay) over and over again.
This isn’t true, 2A4s are just as potent as TURMS or 80B.
Would be fine if it went up in BR, otherwise it would just break that BR range.
This reminds me of that time when US players were moaning that IPM1 should stay only one BR bracket above 2A4, M1 and 80B when it received it’s M900 round.
Unfortunately, the win rate says nothing about how good vehicles are. What is significant is how high a nation’s kill rate is in a battle, and there are statistics for that.
Because he can only drive faster and is behind in everything else, that’s clear.
No one will have complete data except Gaijin, so we can only speculate.
Only, although ridiculously incorrect, dataset we have is from TS which shows TURMS having substantially lower WR, K/D and KPB than 2A4s.
I suggest you to stop writing wild claims while providing zero evidence to back that up.
You forget other things that 2A4 is substantially better at quite easily.
I have nothing to fear, considering I’ve actually played 10.0 - 10.3 the least with USSR.
Also, I had no issues dealing with enemies while firing DM23, so only thing I fear is the butchering of a pretty good lineup at 10.3, just so the vehicle receives unneeded round for it to perform.
While going through BR heatmap to check “data” for my previous post, I’ve noticed something pretty weird. After the introduction of PSO, Germany’s top tier WRs absolutely skyrocketed in a months time, as shown here:
So in like a month following the release of PSO, WRs went up from abysmal 46% to now, more than respectable, 61%.
I haven’t seen any nerfs hitting Russian top tier, so at least from my point of view, only plausible reasons behind this sudden jump in performance are as follows:
PSO is brokenly OP, turning the tides at top tier on it’s own (tip: this isn’t it)
TS data is hilariously incorrect thus shouldn’t be used as an argument of any sort
Large number of highly experienced players who were enjoying the most complete lineup in the game, flocked to other countries (including Germany) to firstly, research new top tier toy, and then secondly, play and spade it.
(That migration can be easily seen in the battle count, Russia lost almost 50% of total battle count in that time period)
Russia gets to play completely alone against literally everyone else most (all) of the time (although this doesn’t explain US WRs staying about the same and Russia’s steep drop off in battle count)
In my opinion, seeing how Russia lost large chunk of players while their top tier remained untouched, all the while other countries got only decent top tier additions that are far from the best, leads me to believe 3rd reason looks like to be the most possible one.
As I already wrote above, the win rate means nothing because you are thrown together with all kinds of nations.
In our combat group we usually do it this way, as we always travel two different nations in the platoon.
If you want to compare the BR classes, you should go to Ground Frags/Death and SB.
Since not everyone can drive and be skilled in the simulator battle, most noobs stay away from it all.
Therefore it is more meaningful.
Since the new system no longer mixes all BR stages together, it becomes clearer.
So let’s look
Old stats, with higher BR Range.
New stats with closer BR Range.
Since BR11.3 - 11.7 now runs together in the top tier, I see one thing first: it is relatively balanced now and the PSO is not OP.
When I look at the BR9.0 - 10.7 it looks pretty bad for Germany.
Even if I look at RB now, it’s relatively even on both sides at the moment, which was different before.
I completely disagree. It’s one of my favourite tanks to play in the game, and if used right, it can be devastating, especially in SB but in RB as well.
You seem unable even to read what I wrote in the sentence you just quoted.
Overperforming nations will be able to carry others with them.
SB lmao.
Good luck drawing any viable conclusion from 20-ish battles in the dataset, that looks so “meaningful”.
You’ve taken grasping at straws to another, unseen level.
Good job coming to that conclusion, not like it hasn’t already been written in the parenthesis.
You somehow managed to miss the point of my post about sudden (unprovoked) and quite drastic change in WRs at top tier right after PSO was added.
and you don’t want to understand it and insist on your win rate.
If I send a nation into a battle with other strong nations and the others win the game for me, that says absolutely nothing about the nation.
And yes, sometimes 20 battles are more meaningful than 20,000.
Well, you said Russia at ~10.0 is so easy to play that you can “just hold W and get in front of enemy’s spawn”. Also, you outright said that TURMS is a better vehicle than 2A4 as well.
At that point, I presented you the stats from both of us in ~10.0 vehicles and guess what, we performed equally as good (bad) in each of those vehicles. Our WRs neatly followed our K/D stats as well.
Then, you objected on that saying those stats are like that because of you being a complete noob, all the while completely ignoring my stats.
But that’s fine, I then checked TS for a bigger dataset and guess what, those stats pretty much followed our own, or even worse, they showed that TURMS is performing worse than 2A4 in terms of WRs, K/D and KPB from a dataset of 5-10k battles.
Finally, you started grasping at straws while literally blabbering about SB and stats taken from 15 games in total, while totally disregarding much more complete dataset.
You also ignored K/D statistics showing Russia around 10.0 having the worst K/D out of the big three from a sample size of 25-30k battles.
I think my stats alone are more meaningful than those from 20 or 20k battles, right ?
I know how to keep my RL beliefs from clouding my judgement in a game. It’s quite obvious I tried the game from “both” sides, even more so from the non-Russia side, so the logical thing would be me asking for buffs to western nations and nerfs for Russia, so I could stomp even harder.
But that wouldn’t be that much fun, because even at the moment I have no issues dealing with stuff you’re crying about, so I guess it’s a you problem.
Playing Leclercs and Type 90s is way more fun since at least they’re gimmicky in one way or another, while PSO is just a straight downgrade of an MBT from nearly 5 years ago lmao.
Honestly waiting for those “two” actually uparmoured Leopard 2s that Smin told us we’re getting this year, then I might play Germany again.
Fun is quite subjective but I do agree with you.
If someone wants to experience top tier 2A5s and such, they could very well go to Sweden and play those.
I made that post about top tier WRs just because it was pretty interesting to see WRs changing so drastically in a short period of time, while nothing game-changing was added.
Would be nice, but I hope they also implement full-scale decompression as well.
You are moving the goalposts now, as expected. Our main and only discussion point was 2A4, not PUMA or PSO, which I never even mentioned in our discussion.
Also, if you are so interested, my first page (27 records) of vehicles sorted by battle count consist of only 9 USSR vehicles (33%), meaning I was correct, I’ve played both sides extensively, even more so the non-Russian “side”.
Swedish 2A4s are functionally the same vehicles as German 2A4 but with different camos, so they will play exactly the same, which means my experience with them is very on-topic when it comes to the discussion of 2A4s vs TURMS.
What useful 3.3-6.7 br light tanks would germany be able to get?
Iirc they had an early version of the pt76 without a stabilizer, the late war pz2 light tank variants, the leopard light tank none of which would make it above the pz sfl lc or puma. youve got the luchs which is just a btr80 without any ability to kill things at the brs it could be placed at. Youve got the previously mentioned faun kraka terrier and spz 11-2 kurz, both of which would be equiped with apcr not apds at be like 4.0 max considering theyre 20mm hispanos not the rh202 20mm.
Aside from those what more could germany get in terms of usable light tanks?
