Lets talk about the state of Germany

You don’t need to have the tank for this if you look at the BVM players.
Cry when the weak spot on the leopard, the size of a barn door, becomes a garage door and whine when their own weak spot, which is the size of a postage stamp, is hit.
These statements correspond exactly to the opening post!

Would you like to open a special topic where we document daily events in videos?
But then I won’t have time to play anymore because I’ll just make videos of the differences!

P.S. This exact whining was also the reason why Gaijin brought the TVM PSO into play, because many complained that it would be OP to give a German tank with armor!

You do have a point but, you have to keep in mind the vehicle that’s bugged will have a couple of disadvantages for which you’ll need some skill to bypass.
It’s hard to say which vehicle would prevail in the hands of a newbie, but in my opinion they are pretty much neck and neck when it comes to newbies controlling them.

Would those rounds be enough to ignore hulls of other top tier tanks, including Russia and China ?
Speaking of inert rounds, I think we talked about that in another thread but yeah, implementation of such rounds would be interesting to see for Leopard’s hull ammo stowage.

That’s why I took 122s as an example, since they have enough hull armor to bounce shots while also being identical to German tanks in about everything else.

I’m not really familiar with 2A7V so I can’t comment much on that, but I guess that’s a much more armored 2A6 with better optics and shells as well ?
If that’s the case, yeah, it would demolish top tier since it’s practically 122s but on steroids.

Yeah, we simply can’t get a definitive answer what vehicle is the absolute best since so many variables are in play.

Lmao, “fanboy” or “main” name calling is pretty stupid in most cases.
It’s always nice to have a civil argument with someone who doesn’t have ridiculous claims and/or ignores pros/cons for the sake of their case.

I haven’t seen many threads about 122s nor have I seen threads where T-tank users cry about their weakspots.

No ?
It’s common knowledge ammo/fuel tank bugs happen in most tiers of the game, if everyone was crying about it, forum would be absolutely unusable for other topics.

then you probably missed the discussion in the PSO thread.

Why not, there will be hours of footage with impossible things.
I already have one video 😜

maybe you should make topic about it and let the people share their own experience it might work

Ah yeah, now I remember from that other topic.
I think my arguments will stay the same, I suppose Gaijin cba to model inert ammo just for couple of rounds in the game, but I do hope it becomes a thing when more pieces of inert ammo come to the game.
In my opinion it will become quite an important part of the game and then the snail won’t be able to sleep on it.

Looks like a perfect tank to push our top tier to 13.0 or something and finally make room for some much needed decompression across many tiers.
I hope they add some stop gap(s) between 2A6 and that one, since performance difference seems to be ridiculous.

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There’ve been countless threads over the years on the old forum with videos showcasing ammo/fuel tank bugs and I’m sure they are aware of the bugs.
You are just beating a dead horse.

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If we are to engage in whataboutism, yes this is absolutely true for the same exact reason. That has been my criticism about U.S. Air and both are because of the same issue, players who use those vehicles fail to adapt and are usually players who are inexperienced. The type of game style isn’t particularly beneficial to high alt fighters, but this doesn’t make them suddenly useless. The same goes for Germany and their heavy tanks, people who can adapt despite not being placed in “optimal” conditions tend to do better than those that don’t. Experience is a key factor and is very relevant still to this problem.

Most of the time, it is not just one nation alone per match and team compositions are like you explain later.

This is basically the important point to take from this. You have a high chance of getting a team that is inexperienced when popular vehicles are involved. This is universal.

The best example is that the TURMS is clearly rated too low at 10.0 and you don’t even need skill!

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/130343938084166754

Amazing performance my dude.
Having 20 points while your team curb stomped the enemy is a clear sign of an undertiered tank.

Damn i wished i was there so many foods for my A-10 seem like BS problem need to deal with BS solution

Probably the opposite.
As already mentioned above, with the Russian vehicles you only have to press W and you are in front of the enemy spawn. 😂
But also the fact that the tank would be so much worse and therefore has to be at 10.0 because the vehicle is missing everything possible.
But what you can clearly see is a large map, many hills and wide flanks.
Everything that, according to your argument, was a disadvantage for the T-72 and made it necessary to justify a Leo 2A4 on BR10.3 was not a problem for me and the others!

If that was the case, I’m sure you’d have much higher WRs and K/D, but sadly for you and your case, you are sitting at a not so pretty 37% WR with TURMS and 33% with 2S38.
I guess Russian teams don’t just curb stop the opposition like you are trying to portray.

Drawing conclusions from a single game is actually something I expected you to do.
Have yet to see a single team composition at any given BR and map not getting curb stomped once in a while.
We don’t have skill based MM, so difference in average skill of the teams can get pretty big, which is alongside other factors the reason of said curb stomping happening everywhere.

Actually Germany alone is relatively common up to 7.0. As a minor nation nibbler I also find myself alone with them a good portion of the time, so essentially one nation only. What this does do is limit a team that extra bit due to variety of options available (Germany here lacks lights and competitive low alt CAP).

If they were popular they would stay there. I feel, as I cannot see this info, that many are just passing through. Germany have that “gap” where you get to the Panther and Tiger with minimal room for getting used to said BRs.
Indeed all major nations have this but for some reason Germany seem to trump it sub 7.0 in my battles.

Moin

I wrote something about this above 😉
In addition, I have owned the vehicles for quite a while, but I only drive them very rarely because the Russian TT is just a side project.

I can agree with you about the team composition.
But overall the T models perform better than their counterparts on the German side and that is largely due to the first generation contact ERA, which was developed against HEAT.
The contact 1 on the T-72 normally can’t do anything against APFSDS, but it still manages.
Exactly the same problem is with other tanks that have ERA and I don’t just mean the Russian ones.

With ERA of subsequent generations, it is still correctly displayed in the garage that there is a certain reduction in penetration, but APFSDS arrows could still penetrate the sides.
Even the relikt ERA, as good as it may be, can absorb every arrow in the game, no matter how powerful it is, and Gaijin urgently needs to improve this.

Now back to the topic

I just say that 2A4 gonna need DM33 and M1 need M833 but hell seem like that can’t happen seem Gaijin don’t wanna hurt their little Soviet I really don’t know how gen two autoload with rounds equivalent to DM33 have win-rate below 50 percent and bad K/D rate when all of that at their disposal if not playing by clowns

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Sadly for you, what you said doesn’t apply to WR because it’s a team based stat, so if TURMS and Russia were actually as strong as you’re trying to portray them to be, you would have more than 37% and 33% WR, that’s for sure.
You don’t need to be a decent player to have good WRs in overperforming lineups, the team would just carry you (as they did in that replay) over and over again.

This isn’t true, 2A4s are just as potent as TURMS or 80B.

Would be fine if it went up in BR, otherwise it would just break that BR range.
This reminds me of that time when US players were moaning that IPM1 should stay only one BR bracket above 2A4, M1 and 80B when it received it’s M900 round.

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Unfortunately, the win rate says nothing about how good vehicles are. What is significant is how high a nation’s kill rate is in a battle, and there are statistics for that.

Because he can only drive faster and is behind in everything else, that’s clear.

I smell fear 😂

No one will have complete data except Gaijin, so we can only speculate.
Only, although ridiculously incorrect, dataset we have is from TS which shows TURMS having substantially lower WR, K/D and KPB than 2A4s.
I suggest you to stop writing wild claims while providing zero evidence to back that up.

You forget other things that 2A4 is substantially better at quite easily.

I have nothing to fear, considering I’ve actually played 10.0 - 10.3 the least with USSR.
Also, I had no issues dealing with enemies while firing DM23, so only thing I fear is the butchering of a pretty good lineup at 10.3, just so the vehicle receives unneeded round for it to perform.

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