Lets talk about the state of Germany

IRIS-T s not a missile in game currently. This is an intentional decision as it is an advanced missile over where we currently are in missile / aircraft technology. Therefor this is not considered a bug or reportable historical suggestion currently.
No denied per se, still can be added without a problem and the ICE would be more competetive outside of just lobbing aim 120´s,

With how powerful the missile is, it’d be forever before we get it added. Though I’m not opposed to getting it since it was always DOA.

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We have no say, and it has been unofficially confirmed, anyway.

We might see the ICE as a test plataform like the SU-25 was for the 73, but it will take some time. I doubt we are seeing such missiles before the end of 2025.

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The only reason I said that is because it seems like the swiss units are being added to the german tree, therefore if gaijin planned to add the F-18 in december update for multiple nations it would seem more likely than the EF, at least in my opinion.

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Cheers, I was going to report this myself this weekend but forgot. Forwarded.

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DM83

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Just got the ICE.
Pretty miserable to play so far lmfao.
Turns like a bus, no HMD, slow, Radar search modes nonexistent.

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Was the DM 83 the KE2020Neo?

if yes it is now getting qualified for use by the german army

I’ll buy it come the big sale, and I’ll probably bring napalm and flank like there’s no tomorrow IF I crew it…

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Yes.

coming from the Mig 29G, its night/day.
Its very sad to see the ONLY other option for a top tier German aircraft to be the WORST one of any nation.

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IMG_1956

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Yeah. The state it’s in is barely usable at best.

according to rheinmetall’s patent it should be a penetrator of 754 mm in lenght

How exactly is moving both pumas up in br considered ‘decompression’. The pumas are just compressed at a different number now.

Wait what!? Why the hell are the puma’s going up they are already trash at 10.0 how is moving them up in br somehow going to make them better

TBF, Germany didn’t domestically make those vehicles so… i can see why they dont have them yet. Im all for eastern block vehicles. All this copy paste is bad for everyone, half of America you can get in other TT, the Abrams isn’t even really that worth it for all the Sherman’s, perishing’s. For everyone to get a kiowa, f15, f16s is just annoying. America doesnt have the best f16, the French do, the best f15? nope japan. Italy has the best 2a7, you get my point. These TT should get those tanks when the home nation has its version. For example, later 2a7s could be added to compare to the 2A7HU.

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Trying to read through this long thread but its too long so I’ll just ask some questions I have.

  • Has there ever been an update where anyone could say it was Germany focused?
  • What are everyone’s opinions on German top tier air being one, if not, the worse to play?
    I know I’m of the opinion of wishing I could sell the ICE for 1 SL with how unfavored (even though “its the best phantom in game”) it is.
  • Thinking about the ICE, has anyone found anything in regards to it having a HMD/HMS? More modern sight?
    I’ve tried using it in sim but its even worse there, can’t even joke that its unplayable there.

I know someone is probably going to reply to this saying the British “FOX-3” Tornado is worse than the ICE but both of them are 2 sides of the same coin. One has better maneuverability while the other has more countermeasures. Let’s not forget they still haven’t fixed the ICE getting 120B’s (even though its a real simple fix, doesn’t affect game-play, and has already been acknowledged).

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Having F-4F ICE being a higher BR than the first Typhoon would be wild.

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