I mean even for someone who sticks to ground for 80-90% of the time it was kind of obvious that the 18C wouldn’t come as a time exclusive to anyone.
Agreed. Had a feeling we would NOT get the F18 before US, OR the EF2000.
I just can’t comprehend though, why this was added NOW. It might’ve? been fine a few updates back? But then it wouldn’t have the AMRAAMS, so would it have been fine? IDK.
Adding this with the likes of upgraded F15/16, Su27, Gripens blows my mind.
Could’ve just Gaijined us a Portuguese/Romanian/Polish/Bulgarian/Norwegian F16 (see JPN).
but no.
3rd Gen Jet instead. lol
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Why Norwegian, or Romanian? Literally most of those options make no sense.
Starting to sound like the british
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Just mentioned as they were EU countries that used the F16 that aren’t already sub-trees of other nations.
And that Germany has a Militaristic Relationship with said countries. If other nations make sense, i can replace them with that, but this is for thinking about what they COULD’VE done.
(idk 100% if romania/norway are already subtrees)
Romania will probably go to italy as they share more ties and already have some of their vehicles and if the old leak list with the F18 is to be trusted they will get the Romanian OSA. Additionally as ive already mentioned with other players who seem to think my home nation would go to Germany or Norway literally ignored gaijins statement from when they planned to make Sweden a nordic tree, Additionally we have more ties with each other than that of Germany, it would make less sense for any of the nordic nations to be anywhere else. I shouldn’t even have to explain why Poland shouldn’t go to germany i can accept the 2PL but as a sub nation no.
As for the bulgarians and Portuguese i have no say, im not familiar with their ties to Germany but it seems off. If anything Austria and Switzerland seem to be what Germany will get not that germany needs a full Subtree. Though i wouldn’t mind seeing Swiss ground and Austrian ground vehicles be added.
Additionally if gaijin had plans to give nations gap fillers then Sweden or Britain wouldve had 4th gen F16’s to deal with the F16 and Mig 29, that didnt happen. I assume germany will also just again have to wait until the F18 is here. Do i agree with them being stuck with the KWS no. I despise gaijin letting stuff like that happen. Do i have any effect or pull when it comes to who gets what? No. Again i doubt we will see Germany get an F16 before the F18 but it could be nice to see it be added. For now all we can do is wait. Posts like this asking for 5+ nations remind me far to much of the muh commonwealth and were entitled to x and x posts.
As per usual for giving my opinions here i expect more hate mail or my posts being hidden. Any and all DM’s would be nice in either English or Danish thank you.
Did you read my ENTIRE post?
Since the update in June 2022, German air has been lacking.
99% of this post is pedantic. Ignoring the main point of my posts. I am NOT saying those should 100% be in, they COULD be in.
Please think about my post. Feel free to replace the nations I listed, with ones that COULD work. This is a thought-experiment of what they COULD’VE done, instead of waiting then releasing the ICE.
Please think about other nations getting vehicles and armament to help their trees when they were lacking.
F*** Them. I’m not going to do that as we are having a good discussion lol. Anyone else chiming in without helpful posts are the Peanut Gallery and should be ignored. It requires more than 70 IQ to have these discussions, and I can tell you are above that.
And i gave you two nations, the swiss as gaijin for whatever reason put the Netherlands in to France idk it makes no sense to me when they couldve just placed the swiss there instead but whatever gaijin does as the snail guides. Then austria could also exist as a subtree as they have close ties to germany. These are the only nations I am familiar enough to suggest, i agree with other that germany should’ve gotten Argentina as a subtree as they already have Tams in the tree and also iirc are in the works to procure F16’s from Denmark. Though i am not familar with their relations. Similarly to how i stated that Bulgaria and Portugal are also unknown to me. Youd have to explain your reasoning for them aside from they have an F16 that germany could get.
As for air for Germany i personally don’t care if thwy wouodve gotten the Su 27 that East germany was going to get before the reunification. Japan got an F16 that was based on the prototype f16 which is why it weight the least of all the ADF’s, ino the Su 27 wouodve been a more realistic option. Additionally stuff like the Mako which yes was never finished imo wouldve been cool but these arent valid options by most of the communities standards. Id like proper CAS on germany as the Tornado imo doesnt cut it compared to other options at top tier. As for what coukd fill these gaps domestically i dont think there is anything. For the time id like something to be added as Germany lacks serious air power but i assume this is gaijin ignoring this problem until other nations can have access to the F18. I doubt we will see Germany get a proper subtree until Japan is given theirs, but it seems likely to me that Germany is in line to receive a subtree with some gap fillers. Probably nothing to the extent of moat sub trees as Germany is mainly lacking at top tier air.
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I think this is the problem as I assume this as well.
But it could be a balancing game, do you want to take the heat from the community regarding putting a prototype/not finished jet, or take the heat from players of that nation? Seeing this, its the former as there’s more community than German mains.
But I also think that people see:
and
and then think Why Not? If they can do it for one nation, why not the rest?
I mean the ostwind, Zerstorer, Zrinyi I are all fictional if we go by their model since none of them existed in the current way they are in game. Even more so look at naval for paper designs that are here. Imo this is a game, balance and fun should be first. If i wanted dont get me wrong paper stuff and trial stuff is iffy but im fine with them IF there are no other options available both domestic and subtree wise. Its why i have such a gripe with the T 80 U and the Mi-28A, the T 80 U couldve been a patria or the Christian II. The Mi-28A and AHS have no replacement and thus were added. If someone can find something to replace them im fine with them leaving but i hate this whole a rule for all but not for thee type stuff. It annoys me when if we use that lgic of giving BS vehicles it could fix so many other nations problems.
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wdym Sweden hello???
I’m pretty sure that gaijin has said that Norway will come to warthunder as premiums for Sweden!
No, they have said nothing of the sort, Smin stated when asked by shini if it was a subtree of sweden he stated thst it wasn’t though he couldn’t see them going anywhere else. It would probably be a huge fight if they were to go elsewhere and it wouldn’t make sense for them to go elsewhere.
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Yeah there is no other nation than Sweden that i think Norway should go to
What?
I hope we get something for the German air-tree next update maybe it will be worth grinding.
As give me swiss spaa platforms and ill be happy
I am hoping deep down for a Swiss subtree ❤️
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Panzer 68 please its all i want then i can die happy
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