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What’s the deal with that?
TLDR its a timed fuze IRL like AHEAD should be
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Unnamed country apparently captured a 2A6 in an unnamed conflict, and since you know how they weaponise propaganda - expect them to say armour’s bad and Gaijin will just ignore all Western sources, and nerf it to the ground :)
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I meant as in what is wrong with 2S38 having it?
Is it a fictional shell or not compatible with cannon or smn?
its not a real He-vt like bagel or other cannons
it works more like ahead its programmed by a laser
but you can read more about it here
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ah yes the country that also claimed it destroyed 25 Bradley’s before they even reached the not to name conflict ?
My mistake then
Everyone knows the german leopards run on hope and dreams
Stop flagging everything just because you don’t like what you read
Honestly such a childsplay
Mmmmm, so you want a 10.3/10.7 Begleitpanzer? I won’t oppose.
Not sure why Murica mentioned an aspect about 2S38 that doesn’t impact its BR at all.
Why not good speed, APFSDS that can kill barrels and tracks easily, warning against cancer helicopters and missiles with over 900mm of pen
Aha, I see now.
Thank you!
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As David Bowie said that Begleit could not use a TAM engine because it uses a Marder gearbox, I would like to make one last clarification on this topic, carried out in a totally capricious manner by gaijin.
The engine of the Marder and the TAM are practically the same.
The Ka-500 has an intercooler and slightly less compression, 2200 vs 2400 max rpm, maximum torque at 1600 vs 1900 rpm.
With this data it can be concluded that the block, crankshaft, pistons, cylinders and connecting rods are the same. They only change the cylinder heads, as they have different compressions, they lower the compression and increase the power.
You get that 20% more power with the 2 intercoolers, one in each turbo per manifold.
Both the marder and the TAM have engines with two turbos per engine. Do not confuse that it has two turbos with a biturbo engine.
Begleit could easily have the TAM engine and the Marder gearbox. The source Gaijin provides for the nerf is anachronistic from other sources and the mods’ arguments are ridiculous.
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seriously gaijin really depends on artificially nerfing germany just so other nation mains dont cry that germany its too op im so done about that
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It isn’t artificial though? It’s the manufacturer’s document; a primary source.
It’s a document you clearly disagree with at this time, not artificial though.
didnt you read dude, the issue was caused because of a missread, they didnt read correctly that the engine that was supossed to be equipped was on a marder hull and instead the TAM hull with the new engine was used for the begleit
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They know its a TAM hull, but for some reason they think it was a prototype TAM with a 600 HP engine, the only source of which even existing is Janes.
And btw, the 28.5 tons are just as doubtful as the 600 HP, after all even the base A1 marder is over 29 tons, so I cant see how adding a LARGER weapon system decreases weight.
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yeah they are using secondary sources wich are not giving the full information about the project in order to say “yeah here it said it has 600 HP” when in the secondary source they dont refer exactly to the TAM having 600 HP they refered to the prototype that was supossed to be built in a Marder hull was instead build in a TAM hull
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"First of all, the developers don’t consider Jane’s yearbook as a source.
So why is International Defense Review considered a source? Because it was published by a different company than Jane’s, Interavia SA."
This is what I was told.
Yeah how convenient to claim Janes “year book” cant be used as a source but it has more detailed information on the vehicles then IDR does. Hell IDR does not mention anything on the vehicle aside from its first public showing in November 1977
If you do a little bit of searching you can find various different sources around that time period mentioning the TAM using the HSWL194 with the MB833KA 500 MTU, which according to the mods should not be possible so the Begleitpanzer 57 clearly could not have had the MB833KA 500 MTU.
Now I don’t know much about the MTUs, not claiming to be a expert when it comes to engines/transmisisons but I saw no info from what little bit of searching I did that states the MB833KA 500 MTU cannot be used with the HSWL 194 transmission.
Clearly multiple sources mentioning the same thing must be wrong , vehicles specifications never change between their trial periods/prototype stages.
What i find funny the IDR that gajin considers as more of a source then Janes talks about the Begleitpanzers 57 chassis as having firing ports like its found on the marder …lol
Wonder where IDR got that idea from ? Could not possibly be based on the original blueprints or konzept design of the vehicle that was never built . Maybe the IDR defense publishers were basing their info on old information or too stupid to look at the pictures and realize that the vehicle is in fact using the TAM chassis and not the Marder chassis .
But to no ones surprise publications from Janes clearly outline that well the prototype that was built and completed never had the firing ports or rear troop hatches fitted since it was based on the TAM/VCTP.
Their reason for this adjustment/change is poor and lacks any sense when you look at all the information that’s out there. I am not claiming the 2 actual documents that could be considering primary sources are wrong but they are clearly based on a earlier concept of the vehicle then was built and tested .
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It’s honestly insane how some people can quickly skim through a document, assert they are correct, and dismiss others, while some invest sincere efforts in thoroughly reading, comprehending, and conveying information. Despite the dedication of those who spend four to six hours consulting various sources, their insights are instantly dismissed by those who believe their brief five-minute reading trumps the depth of understanding acquired through extensive research.
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@Smin1080p can we get some insight on why the devs want to nerf the Bagel despite the overwhelming evidence that it it shouldn’t
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No need to ask smin, the devs feel like the German players have been too complacent with the bagel being in a good place and have brought out the nerf sledgehammer again
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