Let's talk about the Panstir S1 and 2s38

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Since Major Update “Sky Guardians” introduced the Panstir S1, the whole game environment completely changed what NATO once is pround of, the CAS has became harder and harder to survive, with Band F even a new guy sitting in panstir easily shot so called elites in elites in those who in advanced Jets without any training. Even no matter altitude in 10,000 feet or as on the treetop, Panstir players get kills very easily, which advanced the progress of russain and its allies’ ground forces whoes enemy defeated rapidly.

In addtional, the Strela-10M2s filled the gap in “close range” in the sky with high performance anti-interference missiles, helis and jets on the oppose could not support their friends in a better way only to play “Hide and Seek” faced their mighty enemies.

Speaking of 2S38, what do you think?? To me, just a simple word: “Russian-bias”, no doubt, it is the best light vehicle in War Thunder, I do not think we need more evidence to introduce this “CANCER”, A entirely almighty tank.

And the Air force, SU25SM3 and its derives have ablility to launch curise missile out of any kinds of SPAAs in other nations expect their russain own SPAA, the Panstir. Oh, and the heils I must say, KA52s and are the most overpowered heils in this game, its weapons and suriviability.

However, did these vehicles mentioned act as well as Reality?

The answer emerged in 2022, just 2 years ago, there’s no need to prove it.

What I want to discuss is GAME BALANCE, it just literally lost contrl,
And what we want is BALANCE BACK IN TOP TIER.

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  • I think the Pantsir addition was dumb, F band radar is picked by most top tier RWRs and identified as “S1” in RWR display, just assume you are being tracked and launched at (K band missile guidance is detected by all US origin Helis from AH-1F onwards as AN/APR-39 is C-M band detection)
  • I find the 2S38 completely overrated
  • Strela-10M2 is whatever, it’s only good because of contrast lock since the IR seeker is even worse than the Ozelot/Type 93
  • Su-25SM3 itself was ok, the Kh-38s otoh are extremely bad for the game, something with AMRAAMs is outright required to make a top tier lineup now
  • Vikhrs are cheese but there are more than a few counters for USSR Helis in Spikes/PARS/ATASK and they’re still required to be in range of top tier SPAA
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Life for CAS should be hard and even harder still because they are just annoying and shouldnt even be in RBG. You moaning about everything that is Russian also makes this thread worthy of a garbage can just like any other thread based on this topic. We can also start moaning about the absolute tankiness of the Leopard 2s of any sort yet since its “Allies” none gives a rats ass about that. Leopards surviving 10s of shots to the side from 2S38 and just pointing the turret your way and nuking you is NOT an uncommon occurence. Also avoiding Pantsir is just a matter of skill since with the few games I played it I didnt notice that I am the God of Air. What we want is MORE systems like Pantsir so that CAS can finally F off and let tanks play tanks. In the first place I am against adding Pantsir-like stuff but since we already have one in the game them removing it is hughly unlikely so add everyone else the equivalent systems. CAS is annoying as is. The fact that you cant molest everyone from 13000m in the A6E with LGBs is not a sign that you should remove Pantsir

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It’s only upside is 20G pull and photo-contrast mode and worse almost in every way than Stinger carriers.

Huge barn without damage and survivability. I see only crying people that have never played it in a real match, but claiming it is OP in every way.

SPAMRAAMS exist

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2S38 is just a Soviet Strf 9040C. If there was “Russian bias” there’d also be Italian bias [VCC-80/60 at 9.0], German bias [Begleitpanzer], American bias [HSTVL], and of course Swedish bias.

As for Pantsir it’s useless against the meta CAS which is superior to that of Su-25SM3, which itself is Soviet tech-tree’s sole F-16C equivalent CAS.

All meta CAS engage outside of Pantsir ranges in War Thunder, and always have.

CAS is OP and unkillable at top BR.
New SPAA is needed that’s superior to Pantsir for all 10 tech trees.

Vikhrs aren’t even a top 5 missile cause they’re TOW-2s in anti-armor capability.

All SPAA don’t give RWR warnings as they have IR tracking features @llSolitairell

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u gotta say, just a word, bias

these vehicles that i mentioned, none of them are bad, but when all of they on the battlefield is terrible.

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The issue is, what russians have has already made this game extremely unbalance

If u moaning russains, thousands of other players are bullied by these who u called WEAK russian vehicles.

As for CAS, it is the only way some NATO nations to fight with almighty Russian ground forces.

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@NOOBRus_BiasDUMB
How is an American that plays all ten tech trees, with all ten tech trees completed for air, and 6 of them completed for ground… “Russian”? Insults are a rule violation.

Strf 9040C at this point, due to turret rings almost universally being >100mm, are identical. 24 rounds is only a limitation for aircraft which is a criticism of the Lvkv 9040, not the Strf series. 24 rounds of first stage against tanks is more than enough. I much like many others, have never ran out fighting up to 3 - 4 tanks at once, because it’s not a machine gun.

HSTVL is the best of these in the game. Double the acceleration speed of 2S38 and Begleitpanzer, the fastest tank in the game you can unlock, firing the 2nd best round of these vehicles [VCC-80/60 fires the best round], smallest, and best gun mechanics.

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Aaaand? What does it change?

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Changed for good, the game is impossible to balance, there will be always a vehicle better than another and that should be as in real life on the “comprehensive mixed arms combat game War Thunder”,

All I see is coping about something that seems to you don’t own neither of mentioned vehicles, if you do, then play few battles with and take a new vision about both vehicles, It’s good to see that at least USSR take some advantages as it, in Realistic is full of braindead players and in Simulator only have China as ally in top tier battles,

As you mentioned the 9M35M2, specifically the 9M37M, the missile only works good at 5km from the target, the all-aspect lock, beyond this it’s useless, just use the cannon ballistic computer and shoot it from distance, with helicopters is even better specially the ones with small silhouette that’s impossible to lock on at longer distances even using the lock mechanic for silhouette instead for heat,

The 2S38 I think it’s a two bladed sword, only works well in hands of people who know that it can be easily one shooted, most of the time I see people just rushing praying for some nonexistent Russian Bias but just dying in their first encounter, it’s good where it is, soon we’ll probably seeing it moving up BR in some decompression maybe to 10.7 along with all other 10.0 Russian vehicles,

Su-25SM3 is perfect for a EOL vehicle, if you want to grind all the USSR Air Tree just to get another not special Su-25 it’s just worthless, the 40km AGM is a good prize for such poor top tier tree that USSR has,

96K6 is also, as EOL it’s ok but not OP, I’ve seen ItO-90M doing better than the Pantsir-S1 itself, same for Ka-52 with Su-25SM3, it’s a EOL vehicle, what do you want? Another shit vehicle? Just to grind through the entire tech tree to get a bad vehicle?

All I see you want to lower the capabilities of USSR tech tree and create more Meta in the Top Tier, as the German and Swedish top tier always against USSR isn’t enough.

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Almighty RUGF? This got to be a joke right? Penetration to ANY of the 10.0 + tanks of the RU means INSTANT DEATH! Meanwhile Leopards survive probably even a nuclear bomb to the face, come on give me a break dude! RU tanks are good but not THAT good! They are slow as shit, turret is painfully slow especially vertically and with gun clipping to a hedghogs left nut makes the gun going sky-ditch-sky-ditch all the time and it cant for the life of itself play on the turret as most of the others can.

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ye, using “American” is not a rule violation.

why? cuz gaijin is a russian company dude

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USA, Germany, Sweden, and Italy are in stronger positions than Soviets are right now for mixed-combat.

USA with its HSVT, 3 M1A2s, F-16C, and AV-8B.
Germany with its Leopard 2A7V, 2 extra Leopard 2s, Tornado IDS, and F-4F ICE for air defense.
Italy with its Leopard 2A7HU, 2 - 3 extra MBTs, Centauro 120 if you like it, AV-8B, and Gripen.
And Sweden with its 3 Strv 122s, CV90120, and Gripen.

Soviets have its T-90M, 1 - 2 extra MBTs, and an Su-25SM3 for its sole CAS option as good as the NATO options; Mig-29SMT for air defense, but you could also use Yak-141.

@NOOBRus_BiasDUMB
Hungary and the European Union are Russian since when?

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Mixed combat?? Dude, no one can defeat these guys came from last century with 10s’ tanks and jets

HSVT, M1A2S? They are just as fragile as toys to russian tanks, once penned on the weakness they are meant to die, while the ammo stored in T80s and T90s NOT explode even they turned to black on your right top on your screen!!!

And the leopards, the clowns of clowns, since gaijin changed the frontal armor, once penned, DIE.
BTW, where is my TECH-D or E on my leopard???

Seriously??? Are they any tanks better than russian MBTs?? NO!

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You’re not presenting good arguments but insulting others.

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RU tanks maybe not the best tanks, but with Panstirs and 2s38s, they are the best!!
DUDE， COME ON, GIVE A BREAK!! CHECK OUT THE WIN RATE TABLES!!!

LET’S SEE WHO IS ON THE TOP OF THE LIST

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how do u def an “INSULTING”

Telling a worth is so called insulting??

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Let’s just talk a little bit more

I saw a similar topic weeks ago, what the manager done?? They just ignored the views from there players and closed it.

Mine is about to close soon, All of you know the answer

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For ground: LFP, Angled shots, turret ring, turret roof, all of them are weak spots, and if you hit the fuel tank it’s probably a kill due the high rate of destroying due fuel tank explosion.

Most of Western vehicles has the best mobility in the game, use it on your advantage.

Shoot the HSTV-L turret: nothing happens, the Gunner is on the chassis, M1A2 is good vehicle, maybe the issue is between the chair and the computer, it has good mobility, good reloading rate if you have Ace crew and you have the most number of CAS planes in the game,

T-90M is the best option for USSR in top tier while T-80BVM only has the mobility and the protection only is good on the front on very specific areas.

Leopard can hold three or two well placed shots, even in the UFP because the Gunner and Driver eats all the spalling leaving the loader and commander alive.

Strv 122, Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS, Leopard 2A7V, Leopard 2A7HU, CV 90120, Lvkv 9040C, HSTV-L, Leopard 2A6, ZTZ 99A, VT4-A1, Centauro I 120, Type 90, TKX (P), TKX and Type 10 MBT, Challender 2 BN, Challenger 3 TD, Leclerc SXXI and Leclerc AZUR are all far superior over the T-80BVM and T-90M that are the only USSR MBTs on top tier.

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Bait used to be believable

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