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but the armour is far better
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When you’re facing IS-2 or KT, armor differences between T-34 and M4 Jumbo do not matter one bit.
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Though i didn’t get my STP yet,but i have his US cousin:T20 medium tank
Looks T20 is similar to STP ,their low pen in AB are so bad,RB maybe a bit better but…i think they can not even pen weak point in uptiers.
So i think gaijin should lower both of them to br6.0
The 76 Jumbo is honestly fine at 6.3, it only suffers in uptiers like almost every heavy tank.
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Well doesnt the 6.0 Tiger get APCR shells also?
Which is practically useless.
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Why would you want them?
so situational you almost never need it
I recently killed Jumbo with it. Penetrated 2 in a row, then he resigned to his fate and I shot him in the MG port with 8.8 APnuke.
Then it turned out I managed to hit 2 tiny spots where APCR can actually do angthing vs the mantlet and I should have gone for the MG port or transmission instead.
It would be useful if Tiger actually faced Churchill VII or if Jumbo’s mantlet wasn’t over 200mm effective almost everywhere.
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Well, or if penetrations actually had some effect other than getting shot back after 10s.
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Some time ago I penetrated side od Jumbo’s turret with APCR and then proceeded to kill 2 tanks with it, one being a 1-shot vs IS-1 through the driver’s port, lol.
In that single battle I scored more APCR kills than in the last 5 years, outside of forced APCR grind on some tanks.
Anyway, yeah, the damage is absolutely not there.
Because in some cases it is the only option when the PzGr 39 can’t pen.
The PzGr 40 has better pen even at 30 degrees sloped armor. Does not have same post-pen damage, but if the PzGr 39 can’t pen the target, is it not good to have an option that does?
But the catalogue of things APCR would work against consists of… Well… 2 small spots on Junbo mantlet and maybe some part of black prince turret if you happen to meet one. Other than that it’s kind of sad.
Can i just say these pictures prove quite well how stupid damage against front mounted transmissions is.
These shells are nowhere near the transmission or drive shaft. 9/10 times drive shaft in tanks are also protected somehow by turret basket or just cover so you don’t stick your feet in it.
Last few days I have been astonished how many times I disable enemy tank from moving just by shooting the turret.
Yesterday, I was in Obj 292, and I side-shot an Abrams turret from point blank range. His turret crew was 100% fine, but SOMEHOW I got his horizontal drive and transmission.
Transmissions are definitely one of those things that need a full rework. There’s no reason that a solid steel bar designed to withstand thousands of pounds of force for multiple hours a day whilst being banged around in a metal box should just instantly go poof the second a couple of metal fragments hit it.
Both the regular T-34-85 and 76 Sherman are on-par. Both have their advantages. But 2 BR steps for a STAB? Ridiculous, its a worse 76 Jumbo at the same BR, which is already not the best of 6.3s. STP should be 6.0.
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No it’s easily a 6.0
Just as the KV-220 is 5.7 material
And the T-44(FM) should be a 6.0
But as per usual, Russian tanks are over br’d merely because other nation’s players take pot shots and usually hit bad angles which then you kill them.
Then they get mad and call Russian bias.
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The only real advantage to the 76 Jumbo is armor, but that’s completely worthless in an uptier, and the T-34-85 has a tendency to just ignore shells that shoulda killed it.
Honestly, a 0.7 raise seems pretty fair for adding a stabilizer on an already very good tank.
I love the screenshots which show the 85mm & 76mm are very similar in capability.
Then maybe you need to have your eyes checked.
Then again, if you think a heavy tank with a 85mm gun that has as much side armor as a Tiger has front armor should be 5.7, maybe it’s not just your eyes.
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Except the gun / cupola are massive weakspots?
The turret isn’t reliable at all, given its model is so old it’s cracked to hell and can be killed by things that shouldn’t be able to kill it.
It loads way too slow for having 2 loaders, and generally is a meh tank. It doesn’t have the mobility, armor, or gun to reliably engage 7.0 or even 6.7 tanks.
Tigers are better in all aspects bar the side armor.