Oh look, it’s Panther losing transmission with every shot to the turret again.
If only Germany used steel instead of dry twigs, thoughts and prayers to make the driveshaft…
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M26 and T26E1-1 are same br honestly and have a way bigger performance gap the kupola may decrease your survivability but for the tiger E to stuck fighting T29s while the H1 faces M26s and T26s is just unfair
I never said it’s weak. But the 85mm is simply better. Period.
I think that happens to every tank nowadays
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It’s fine at 6.3. Just like the Tiger E is fine at 6.0.
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1.6s seconds is a long time for a reload. Since the first scenario was “too unrealistic” for you, here’s one: you get shot at by a tiger or panther. You whiff your first shot due to whatever reason. Now in the sherman you are fine, since you reload quickly and can get another shot off before the enemy player fires again. What you can also do is mg the track while you reload. In the t34 you can do neither.
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Your information is wrong. Overpressure starts at 170 grams.
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Happeneds but reliably one shots are faster than having to wait 5.9s for another shot, that you might not even get.
Here’s a scenario for you:
You make bad shot but because it’s a 85mm with 150g TNT you still get the kill due to killing crew or ammo detonation.
Your 76mm only deals damage but the enemy is now out of sight, can repair and still kill your team afterwards.
Let’s not forget that the T-34-85 without a stabilizer is 5.7 like the Sherman with a stabilizer.
Boii, I wonder why?
EDIT: I was wrong and right but only partiall. I overpressure M36 with Kugel and Ostwind. It just overpressures some crewmen, who are cought in overpressure sphere.
Overpressure becomes substantial around 100g, and it just gets better the bigger the HE filler. EDIT:
the following is true: Pzgr around Junbo transmission will kill driver and MG gunner, will not kill the turret crew. 75mm HE to some distant corner of M10 will also fail to kill entire crew.
Go to protection analysis and look it up.
EDIT: what isn’t true is “overpressure effect” working with APHE with filler below 170g indeed.
yes? I mean i do want it to be moved down. But considering the basic 85 capabilities against machinery, its only natural that with better shot and stab it moved higher.
ugh if it wasnt for the 367 it would be terrible at 6.3 tho. The gun`s strenght in the damage, and if it cant pen anything why bother.
Same t20 has lower profile and faster reload, and a better pen with APHE shot
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Name a vehicle that the US 76mm can pen that you can’t pen with 85mm BR-365 🤷🏻♂️
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OK, I was partially wrong. I’m sorry.
Overpressure vs M6:
The standing guy gets damaged only when fragments hit him, but before that the “magical overpressure wave” happens and kills everyone else.
So it seems indeed there’s no “overpressure wave” for APHE with less than 170g - there’s no animation, death happens only when fragments hit.
Same spot with 85mm:
as you can see, 85mm actually works better despite “no overpressure”:
I know it’s “unrealistic” shot but it shows the general ability to wipe out the tank:
as you can see, with 76mm the fragments disappear way earlier.
I couldn’t force the 85mm to overpressure M36 with weird shots that exited the hull before exploding with 85mm:
And Pzgr can do that (it was a penetration through the barrel, I couldn’t force 85mm to do that, pen too low)
So yeah, you were right.
But the practical difference is not as great as I thought.
Anyway, I consider this (and myself) pretty damn stupid.
But on the other hand - it’s typical Gaijin.
The 76 oneshots extremely reliably. The 85 oneshots a little more reliably but not insanely so. Once again, the enemy can’t drive away if you spend three seconds hitting his track with your machine gun.
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Well, look at what that 85 did to M6 in my screenshot and now compare to 76.
76 is super-solid.
85 is better, especially with its insane angle performance.
Soviet 100mm is way better than long 88 when it comes to pure ability to penetrate tanks, despite my preferred shell having 218 pen instead of 239 or whatever the number was for 88 - but 100mm APBC behaves like long dart vs angles, and 88 like regular APCBC. This of course is kinda not-fully-realistic, as basically great angle penetration happened when shells had bad heat treatment of the front, which made the front detach and greatly reduce the angular momentum - the back of the shell continued fairly straight, thus being able to penetrate a bit more armor. But it is basically a “best case scenario” for soviet ammo manufacturing. APBC got replaced by APCBC because APCBC was simply better in real life.
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APBC in WT has no downsides.
It’s just a flat tip and it makes the round be better at defeating overmatched sloped armor but somehow doesn’t make it worse against flat armor.
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the 7.3 T32 ready to eat you alive “yes this is very balanced”
I mean, it is worse. But it’s so much better vs angled it’s not even funny.
Maybe good gun depression isn’t game breaking (it actually can be - situationally) but the opposite (poor gun depression) can be a game killer.
Having to expose more of your tank on non-flat terrain to take a shot can be critical. Not as bad as say… the IS2 with -3 … but -5 is still quite limiting.
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How can you drop it back further than the T-34-85, which is already the 5.7 vehicle?
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