I recently killed Jumbo with it. Penetrated 2 in a row, then he resigned to his fate and I shot him in the MG port with 8.8 APnuke.
Then it turned out I managed to hit 2 tiny spots where APCR can actually do angthing vs the mantlet and I should have gone for the MG port or transmission instead.
It would be useful if Tiger actually faced Churchill VII or if Jumbo’s mantlet wasn’t over 200mm effective almost everywhere.
Well, or if penetrations actually had some effect other than getting shot back after 10s.
Some time ago I penetrated side od Jumbo’s turret with APCR and then proceeded to kill 2 tanks with it, one being a 1-shot vs IS-1 through the driver’s port, lol.
In that single battle I scored more APCR kills than in the last 5 years, outside of forced APCR grind on some tanks.
Anyway, yeah, the damage is absolutely not there.
Because in some cases it is the only option when the PzGr 39 can’t pen.
The PzGr 40 has better pen even at 30 degrees sloped armor. Does not have same post-pen damage, but if the PzGr 39 can’t pen the target, is it not good to have an option that does?
But the catalogue of things APCR would work against consists of… Well… 2 small spots on Junbo mantlet and maybe some part of black prince turret if you happen to meet one. Other than that it’s kind of sad.
Can i just say these pictures prove quite well how stupid damage against front mounted transmissions is.
These shells are nowhere near the transmission or drive shaft. 9/10 times drive shaft in tanks are also protected somehow by turret basket or just cover so you don’t stick your feet in it.
Last few days I have been astonished how many times I disable enemy tank from moving just by shooting the turret.
Yesterday, I was in Obj 292, and I side-shot an Abrams turret from point blank range. His turret crew was 100% fine, but SOMEHOW I got his horizontal drive and transmission.
Transmissions are definitely one of those things that need a full rework. There’s no reason that a solid steel bar designed to withstand thousands of pounds of force for multiple hours a day whilst being banged around in a metal box should just instantly go poof the second a couple of metal fragments hit it.
Both the regular T-34-85 and 76 Sherman are on-par. Both have their advantages. But 2 BR steps for a STAB? Ridiculous, its a worse 76 Jumbo at the same BR, which is already not the best of 6.3s. STP should be 6.0.
No it’s easily a 6.0
Just as the KV-220 is 5.7 material
And the T-44(FM) should be a 6.0
But as per usual, Russian tanks are over br’d merely because other nation’s players take pot shots and usually hit bad angles which then you kill them.
Then they get mad and call Russian bias.
The only real advantage to the 76 Jumbo is armor, but that’s completely worthless in an uptier, and the T-34-85 has a tendency to just ignore shells that shoulda killed it.
Honestly, a 0.7 raise seems pretty fair for adding a stabilizer on an already very good tank.
I love the screenshots which show the 85mm & 76mm are very similar in capability.
Then maybe you need to have your eyes checked.
Then again, if you think a heavy tank with a 85mm gun that has as much side armor as a Tiger has front armor should be 5.7, maybe it’s not just your eyes.
Except the gun / cupola are massive weakspots?
The turret isn’t reliable at all, given its model is so old it’s cracked to hell and can be killed by things that shouldn’t be able to kill it.
It loads way too slow for having 2 loaders, and generally is a meh tank. It doesn’t have the mobility, armor, or gun to reliably engage 7.0 or even 6.7 tanks.
Tigers are better in all aspects bar the side armor.
Welcome to the heavy tank club.
I was thinking of more in uptier cases when the APHE won’t pen.
Something like the front of a T2 (H) turret. Pz 39 wont pen that, but the Pz 40 can.
T14, T58, T29, etc all don’t have those problems, with having good mobility, armor, and a good gun.
Or the prized T26E5 “destroyer of worlds”
why would you spawn jumbo in a uptier in the first place? jumbo turret/ is far bouncier than t-34’s there is practically no reason to play t-34-85 stp over jumbo when theyre both 6.3. even if the 85mm gun is on paper better than the 76mm theres not much of a functional difference when you have to aim for the same weakspots etc
T-34-85 STP will be far better in uptiers, and roughly the same in downtiers.
t-34-85 stp is nowhere near as dominant as a 76 jumbo in downtiers. in uptiers it frequently fights t29s and other late war heavies where its just as useless
Jumbo 76 isn’t close to dominate in downtiers. T-34-85 STP can always use its advantages, uptier or downtier. Jumbo 76 can only use its advantage in a downtier, and it’s not a big advantage over the T-34.