Leopard2s in top tir too weak

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War Thunder meta = Mobility + First hit kill/cripple.

M1A1 offers better acceleration than a T-80BVM, better hull traverse, 4x faster reverse speed, better gun depression, massively faster reload, better APFSDS, etc. etc. etc.

There’s a reason why the faster MBT’s with snappy gun handling (including the M1A1) are picked over the T-80BVM/T-90M in tournaments.

Unfortunately, these excellent M1’s get saddled with a playerbase that couldn’t even pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

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Well, you can’t simply blame all of this on the USA players. Because tanks with stronger protection always have a better lower limit. Not every player can reach the upper limit of mobility and one-shot kills. The reality might be that most M1 and Leopard 2 players have a K/D ratio between 0.8 and 1, while a few have a K/D ratio between 3 and 5. On the other hand, most Russian tank players have a K/D ratio between 1 and 1.2, and a few have a K/D ratio between 2 and 3. In fact, tanks like the M1 or Leopard 2A5 have almost no margin for error in terms of protection.

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Abrams are definitely a high skill cap and even ping cap tank which isn’t a factor in a tournament. Average players will just encounter missed shots, bad map placement and first shot timing. A single center mass shot will take your ring out of business then it’s GG.

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this is one of the best things ive ever read on the forums lmao

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saving this quote btw, its peam

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there is several options outside of the 2a8 that can give germany leos with aps / lws

Leo 2 ATD, 2a7a1 and so on

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Ah, those are fine.

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and there we are .
you have no idea about those vehicles do you ?

Leo 2 ATD is a leo 2a4 upgrade, from the revolution upgrade series.
2a7a1 is missing the frontal armor plate, its an upgrade from the 2a6a3
So they arent even uparmored, they have worse base armor then the 2a7V

Why deny vehicles u have no clue about?

Besides that sweden still has 3 uparmored leos.
Germany has 1, should be no problem to add it either way.
Not to mention its over 2 years gajin promised the leo 2 DM rework cause the models are full of holes

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2A7 in particular at least, is one of the best armoured MBTs in the game with one of the best darts with a decent reload, good mobility and gun handling and decent survivability. Small and volumetric breech spot, and trolly UFP armour, and iirc spall liners no? Dont really see how this tank is bad.

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did i ever say the tank is bad? dont move the goalpost

Besides many of your points, its average in a lot of things.
Overall it makes it a jack of all trades.
And the Armor is more spoty and not reliable anymore
not to mention one of the few implemented turret baskets nerfing it immensively

You are hating on them for the sake of it.
None what u said is a reason why germany should get denied more leopards.
It isnt even the best leo nation

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But this only one .And Sweden have three

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Good explanation. However, I hope it would be better to directly incorporate the Leopard 2A8. As the use country for the Leopard 2, Sweden has been stronger than Germany for many years (perhaps only because Gaijin wants more people to develop Sweden). Germany also needs at least another Leopard 2 with D armor because in the near future, Sweden will obtain the Strv 123 (purchase Leopard 2A8). At that time, Germany will have no advantage at all.

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Germany has so many possible additions
KF51
Chally 130
Leo 2ARC 3.0
EMBT series
Leo 2a9 is in development
Leo 2a7V with MUSS 2.0 LDRICCM like the helis (development)

Sweden imports, we develop. We will always have better and more options.
Its just gajin being lazy

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Alright, I take accountability for that. My bad.

Sweden lacks other features like CAS and SPAA, which is why they have 3. Should they have 3? No. But this is the reason.

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Yes,at least until the 4 generation tanks are join I dream Germany top team is
:Leo2A8 Leo2A7V Leo2A7+ (Leo2PSO A6 A5 ATD optional ) PMUA KF41 IRISTSLM IRISTSLX EF2000(AESA)EF2000 H145
All are German real equipment, without any other branches or other countries participating.

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Next major :JAS39E NASAMS

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uparmored leos was an issue long before new new cas and spaa was added

Hell sweden had better CAS for some time with the gripen, germany had the tornado as its best
The best CAS of germany and sweden right now likely is the F/A 18 right now, we gotta the same damn CAS as of this moment.
The Ito 90m is way better then the flarakrad for the longest time.
The elde 98 was a short time now and they are getting the NAsaam with Amraam er most likely this patch.
Together with the Gripen E this patch.

This means sweden will have this patch.
Better lights
Better Leos
Better CAS with gripen E (EFT still is skewed with nerfed brimstone, our best hope is hosbo damnit).

The issues you named are non issues already.
Germany has the better heli with the UHT ? which in this day of time is poor as well and doesnt perform great

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Yeah, next update is going to be a disaster with all this new CAS and Su-30s.

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Once this is introduced, I guess it is fine to introduce 2A7A1.

Still, the 2A7 is the best MBT in the game and nobody can deny this. That was my main point for this thread.

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u are aware how hypocritical this sounds?
germany has worse nearly everything, but sure they can get 1 more leo

wrong,
Strv122 most likely,. they are way better armored then 2a7s, which sweden has 3 of

A lot of people confuse strv122 armor with leo 2a7 armor, which is a major issue