I know that the Leopard 2 was once among the top tanks with excellent performance, but after undergoing several rounds of weakening, the Leopard 2 has become quite weak.
It’s time to buff the Leopard 2 or introduce a new one.
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All Leopard 2s have similar attributes to M1A1HC, featuring a vulnerable hull, average maneuverability, a sturdy turret and a good 120mm gun that fires 620-650 penetration shells. However, the M1A1HC has a BR of 12.0, while the Leopard 2 has a BR of 12.7.
Furthermore, the M1A1HC can shoot a 629APFSDS in just 5 seconds, while all the Leopard 2s need 6 seconds to shoot a 623-652APFSDS.
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Even the most advanced Leopard 2A7 does not have better average combat data than the T80BVM
After the T80BVM, the Russian forces also had the T90M, while the German forces could only present some Leopard 2s with a mere 12.0 combat capability.
I don’t know why the Gaijin are so obsessed with nerf the Leopard 2 and so keen on replicating it in other series (Italy, France). The Leopard 2 has undergone three rounds of weakening: frontal armor, area of fire, and the Hanging basket. After these three rounds of weakening, they were only similar to the M1A1HC and were raised to 12.3-12.7 BR. I really don’t understand why they would do this at all.
And, many bugs in the Leopard 2 have not been fixed, and there has been no response at all.
Laopard2’s cannon breech can’t to stop shells and fragments // Gaijin.net // Issues
Some Leopard 2 trunnions Incorrect installation position // Gaijin.net // Issues
Even there were extremely perfunctory responses that didn’t address the question at all.
I demonstrated the fact that the Leopard 2 PSO cannot ricochet, but the issue administrator merely copied and pasted a bunch of useless responses.
Joke topic. Also all time data is useless. Focus on trends.
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They data is 2025 October
I recently crewed the Merkavas mk.4 and it is a much better vehicle than the bvm and t-90m, while they are not the worst they definitely not the best, with Abrams and Leopards around I wouldn’t even rate them top three, the bvm will be at 4th place if I have to rate them the Merkavas 4 will be the third best top tier mbts I’ve ever played. Russian win by CAS not their tanks, if we have a tank only mode the ru will stuck at low 40% winning rate.
I don’t have any comment on the performance of the Leopards as i haven’t played them myself.
But the report you sent in and had gotten an answer to isn’t created correctly which is why you got that answer. The in-game protection analysis isn’t completely correct and cannot be used for reports of this kind due to the variability of the analysis. The protection analysis is used to give you a general idea, not exact data.
The Technical Moderators and Developers still need the files requested to be able to investigate where the issue stems from, if it’s a bug with the armor, a bug with the angle calculations, a bug with the ammunition, a bug with material modifiers, etc, etc. It would be close to impossible or take way to long to investigate an issue without the correct files. You have to be able to show that this issue happens in matches as well due to how inaccurate the protection analysis can be.
The data I’m referring to is not the winning rate, but the K/D ratio. Whether it’s the K/D ratio or the winning rate, the Merkava 4 is much superior to the Leopard 2.
Although there are indeed reasons why new players might not choose to play in Israel, the K/D ratio of the Leopard 2 series is at the bottom.
Thank you for your explanation. However, in other similar issues, only in-game protection analysis was used, and they were acknowledge.
CAS also heavily influenced the KD of ground vehicles, playing against the ru at top tier meaning your leopards is going to die a lot more often due to CAS spam, ground vs ground ru vehicles are mid when compare to NATO’s because mobility is king, one could avoid taking hits if they could drive away quickly before the enemies could fire the next shot.
The Merkava IV and M1s also have to deal with Russian aircraft. The air defense systems of Israel and the United States are even weaker than those of Germany, but their tanks K/D ratio is higher.
Do you have any examples? I’ve personally never seen that happen.
It’s really telling how the inferior T-80BVM is having superior players overall according to Statshark.
Statshark match data at the end of the day is a skill metric.
You can extrapolate some things.
The fact that T-80BVM and 2A7V are within 100 RP of each other, and 400 SL of each other says more than the win rates that are reliant on 15 other team mates, and KRs which are reliant on enemy teams going to places you predict as a player.
almost thought this was a TIGER_TANK_1 post for a second…
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