Leopard2s in top tir too weak

These stats are kind of irrelevant, its mostly from players who grinded using premium 2a4’s, its not the tank, its just the bad players, the leopard 2s are one of the best top tiers in the game.

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So, I am also an experienced player. I even presented a sufficient amount of data. I believe you should also trust me.

The trend is that Germany now has a 38% win rate at 11.7, and barely better at 12.7. And this is BEFORE the nerfs to IRIS-T SLM.

The PLO should’ve never gone up and stayed together with the Canadian one. Who honestly was fine at 11.7. Even with decompression.

Outside of that. Welcome to not having any decent CAS. The Tiger is overtiered as hell, Spikes suck. And the tanks even while okay get absolutely dumpstered by LMURs and co whom they face consistently.

Which doesn’t mean that the nerfs to the Leopard 2s weren’t bad, nor that Leopard 2 PL going up so much wasn’t unjustified.

While the win rates aren’t down solely to the Leopard 2s themselves. The BR changes, the nerfs, the lack of proper CAS, the nerfs to IRIS-T SLM, EFT, and Tiger going up in BR have massively contributed to the issue.

As has the complete nuking of any real line ups.

Its mainly the players. The entire BR bracket is filled with 2A4M and Click-Bait players.

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That’s complete and utter bullshit, and you know it. Especially when Win Rates dropped by 10-20% depending on nation after the introduction of LMUR, nerfs to Leo and IRIS-T and so on. Blaming it on “players” is the most tired and baseless argument.

Especially since the T80U-E1 has more games than the Clickbait and the 2A4M

It’s the go to excuse when they see win rates they don’t like. But they also argue they need LMUR, Yak 9K and co to save their win rates. Don’t forget that RUssia has a whole premium line up at 10.3 which does entirely fine. But they also use their win rates to argue “they’re not OP!” despite many new players buying and playing them and doing okay in them.

Well i mean they kinda do, the mid tanks and even more mid players are not going to.

And yet, it’s fine for other nations to have mid tanks, and even terrible CAS, be nerfed to oblivion and overtiered and these same people will defend it to death. Look at the PUMAs for example. They’re such hot flaming trash in every way and people defend them.

I have played probably 500 games of top tier in the past month. I am confident this is the issue.

Dude the T80BVM alone had 2.1 million games in October, your 500 (0.00024%) are statistically nothing.

i got a 60% winrate in the leopards so i think it’s just skill issue

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I check the LB at the start and end of every match, and pretty much every (US/Ger on team) match I played had almost 70% of the team be premiums.

Cool? Thats still just 500 games in a pool of millions of games so completely worthless statistically.
Not to mention that your screenshot literally shows how the russian 11.7 premium is more popular than the american and german ones.

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Do you see any US/Ger top tier tanks in that screenshot that aren’t prem/squadron?
My point is, premiums are most of NATO top tier rn. Atleast RU teams have TT tanks being played out.

Sure but top tier isnt NATO vs russia every match now, is it?

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Pretty much is lol (by NATO I mean US/Ger)
All 3 major nations can’t be on one team, so the nation with RU wins because of their larger number of players w/ lineups.

Did you also conclude that in your 500 games?

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Yes. Team that has RU wins. Other team is filled with mostly 1dlers that have no SPAA or planes, and gets slammed by CAS.