Leopard2s in top tir too weak

Then you can copy and paste my ID. My skills are not worse than those of most people.

This is a thread about the Leopard 2 issue, not a thread about who is better at flying planes.

Maybe it’s your playstyle? the leopards 2a7 is the best tank in the game, you seem to do good in challengers but not leopard, that shows the difference in playstyle.

there is no issue, the only issue here is your skills in playing the leopard.

I think the Leopard 2A7 is good, but the C-armor tech Leopard 2 is weak. The C-armor tech Leopard 2 should not be at 12.7, but 12.3.

What do you mean?

Just saying D Tech Leos are missing 350-400mm Frontal hull armor against KE.

Seeing this, I feel that many people have misunderstood me. They think I’m saying that the Leopard 2A7 is a weak tank. So, I would like to clarify this. Here is the ranking of top tanks that I consider.
T1:T80BVM Leo a7 Strv122 Merkava 4M
T2:M1A2SEP T90M Type 10 Merkava 4B
T3:Leclerc 99A VT4 12.7Challenger2s M1A1HC AIM
T4:Leo A5 A6 PSO T72B3A Ariete

你的black night还打得不错brother

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Leo 2A7/Strv 122
Abrams
Merkava Mk.4
Leclerc
Leo 2A5/6/PSO
CR2E
T-80BVM
Type 10/TKX
Ariete AMV
CR2BN
ZTZ99A/WZ1001
T-90M
VT4/A1
T-72B3A

Can depend on map, on hull-down maps 2A5 > Leclerc for example.

There are too many ranking grades of yours. Even the weakest T72B3A can immediately destroy what you think is the strongest Leopard 2A7 or break its barrel when hitting it from the front. So, in fact, the gap between them is not that big. Besides, your ranking pays too much attention to mobility, but excellent hull protection can make a tank more offensive. Russian tanks are good examples.When charging forward, Russian tanks pose a greater threat than most of the more maneuverable but vulnerable NATO tanks.

And the M22 can destroy the 2A7s barrel and kill it from the side. Your logic is flawed.

If you keep talking like that, it won’t be interesting. What I mean is in a positive way.

My point is, armor is not something you should rely on. Mobility and armor is nice yes, but so is stuff like gun depression, reverse, reload, etc. Stuff T-XX tanks lack, and it hampers them in battles.

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If you truly believe that Russian tanks are weak, then why are the vast majority of players in this game choosing to use Russian tanks? And the average performance of Russian tanks is also much better than that of most NATO tanks?
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FOTM. Good players flock to the meta, which is RU CAS. To play CAS, you must spawn a tank.
US WR jumped 15% when M1A2 SEP was added, even though it was identical to previous tanks.

Abrams sigma

I know that M1A2SEP was indeed excellent in the past, but do you have any data to support the “US WR jumped 15% figure you mentioned?

Please don’t try to deceive me with the former wtdata website. That website only collected data from players who had logged in on the site.

Data, unfortunately not. Was told about it by a very experienced WT player, who I trust.