wdym the T-55A and T-55AM-1 were moved up from 8.0 to 8.3 and 8.3 to 8.7 respectively.
ZTZ88A, 88B, 59D1, TAM, Chieftain Mk.5 and M60A1 RISE P did not move. There’s more if you include 8.3 and 9.0.
And? What about it? Both tanks have roughly the same survivability and armor profile… The TAM actually wins that more often than not.
They were moved to 8.7 before the BR changes.
That they were at 8.0 and 8.3 is a monument to Gaijin’s bias.
All tanks you just mentioned lack similar round choices and do not have the same composite armor or APS.
Mentioning other tanks that were ranked at a high BR is irrelevant to the tanks in question.
I can kill any tank in the game with the 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl what is your point?
“Why is comparing a tank destroy with no armor built and designed to flank with speed to an MBT designed to assault a position quickly with superior firepower asinine”
I don’t know, why is the M18 5.7 instead of 6.3 like the Jumbo Sherman
No
They were moved at the same time
T-55A was downtiered simply because Gaijin knew it could not be the same BR as the T-55AM because people would cry pay 2 win and the problem with the 55AM-1 was it always worse than A1A1 and after that; the insane powercreep from meta 8.7s like Rooikat 105/MTTD/TAM2IP and Type 16P, that’s why it was 8.3.
But by all means bleat about bias, that’s clearly all you’re capable of. Because the 55AM and base T-62s (lol) fair that much better being reamed by XM-1s.
Both ZTZ88s have composite armour on the glacis plate, APFSDS and higher Power to weight, 59D1 has Thermals, dual layer ERA on the Glacis plate and APFSDS, M60A1 RISE has APFSDS, Chieftain L15A3 APDS has the similar modifiers as early APFSDS same as L52/M728.
The only thing Drozd was good for was bullying 8.0 US that relied mostly on TOWs and Shillelaghs.
Gonna be honest and say this entire time the context provided made me think you were referring to Leopard 1A1A1 and TAM which is why I thought it was so stupid.
In the same breadth you complain the T-55 armor is pointless you exalt the 59D1’s ERA
Comical
You’re still referencing other vehicles which necessitate another discussion to justify the differences between the same class of vehicle.
The APFSDS is ZTZ59D1’s only redeeming quality, the ERA does pretty much nothing since everyone is using APDS that goes straight through it, and then your frontal armor like it’s made out of aluminum. Thermals are situationally useful at best, and that means…rainy weather and basically nothing else.
I love how gaijin puts this dogshit tank on the same BR with ZTZ88s which are actually pretty good tanks if you can deal with the fact that their armor gets penned by autocannons from all sides
Really struggling to see the thread of logic here. Yes, the T-55AM1 is strong, yes, it should probably be higher than it is in comparision to what it can see in a downtier, but at the same time, the A1A1 is much better than it, and it’s just a bizarre comparision to make.
The T-55AM1 is a early cold war meta tank. It’s got good all around hard factors, and it’s weaknesses (Poor gun depression, poor turret rotation, poor reverse) aren’t such an issue when it’s facing tanks from a lower BR. This makes it very strong when it works. Arguably too strong, against most of what it sees in downtiers that seriously struggle against it’s armor.
Put it up against higher tiered vehicles though, and suddenly it’s not so rosy. Practically all APFSDS, even the early stuff, can punch right through the UFP, which makes it’s armor suddenly worthless. And they’re all on vehicles with better mobility, better reload, better gun handling, all things that really matter when you’re up at that tier.
The Leo A1A1 isn’t even close to a comparable vehicle, it’s like complaining about the Hellcat not being able to brawl like the Jumbo can, and insisting they switch places. On an urban map, they’re more or less on about even ground, since both can lolpen the other, both have stabilizers, etc. But on an open map where the Leo can use it’s better mobility and gun handling, it’s not even close. By the time the T-55’s got it’s gun on the Leopard, it’s already LRF’d, fired, and pulled back.
Argue for more decompression, not more compression.
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You struggle with comprehension and taking in the entire context of the text. You know how I know? Cause you bring up APFSDS and my post was at all not about the APFSDS. You literally constructed a strawman and responding to it instead of understanding what my post was about.
Comical when you were the one that brought up applique armour in the first place? I’m not praising it, I’m stating facts.
Class of vehicles is utterly irrelevant, you are still playing in the sandbox that is War Thunder. Vehicles can play differently the distinction doesn’t make them better, the Chieftain is awful compared to the TAM because every time you are not hull down the TAM is just superior in every regard for example.
Same reason players who don’t think through hedge the Leopard being worse than the T-55s because muh autocannons as if IFVs or anything that relies on ATGMs are a meta pick in the game.
I made sure to mention dual layer because it’s not the same ERA as on the T-69-IIG etc. it has an effect on kinetic rounds and can block M735 iirc. Whether the 59D1 is good or not wasn’t the point (it’s not).
Again you can kill any tank in the game with the 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl the distinctions between tanks still matter.
More decompression is always good.
Sophistry.
Hard stats and capability is what matters.
If you’re taking hard stats then the T-55s beat the Leopard A1A1 by every metric but mobility and gun depression both of which aren’t unbeatably better especially mobility and become situational at best.
The A1A1 also beats it on penetration, reload and optics.
Mobility is the main advantage, lol.
Yes that’s what I said.
Penetration is debatable reload is negligible optics is not something that is against situational at best.