… yeah… if that random 2 shells gets hit. It’s crazy that you won’t concede that most of your ammo being jnlikely to detonate is a survival bonus worth the loss of a few mm of pen.
I can assure you Spanish didn’t. But you’re raging at this point and need to take a break away from the keyboard.
Sure. You don’t bet on your armor, but having better armor shows up more than when you don’t. Just because you said you don’t rely on it doesn’t mean it has zero value in a comparison.
Calm down, it’s a game and you’re not God’s gift to earthly intellect. Spanish ain’t wrong and you can debate things politely.
Bruh, Avenger stop talking please. It’s unimaginable level of how someone can possess this much of ignorance. Your “best” tanks bite the dust from abrams both on paper and statistically
In what way a free kill? There is a lot of scenarios that can happen afterwards.
- Abrams teammates roll out and shoot you
- Abrams retreats back hiding under teammates line of sight.
- Abrams commander shoots your track and Abrams retreats to repair. The thing most of Leopards actually cannot do
- Abrams shoot you back turning its hull.
And finally scenario where you actually kill abrams. But it’s no way it’s free kill if you need more than one shot to finish enemy
Yes, many people have already sent emails to KNDS, but what does the data for L2A8 on the brochure have to do with L2A7V
Oh, it seems like there’s a selective restoration. Gaijin is arrogant enough
German tanks are op guys lets just nerf em in every aspects and way we can with nonsense reason
winrates btw:

That BR heatmap is heavily flawed in it’s sourcing and is woefully inaccurate for a few nations.
While Germany definitely is not doing well in top tier, it’s not as extreme as that heatmap shows.
my bad then but still problem remains
Are you trying to justify the nerfing of the vehicle based on statistics?
not completely they been doing this nerfs for a longtime we had enough of this
It took me 5 minutes of recherche to find out that the gun depression of the 2A8 is not just -7.4 degrees. But a multimillion dollar companie can´t find that out?
They know it, but they just don’t want to admit it, using various reasons to silence Tang Sai and weaken the Leopard 2 A7 and A8
Please share those findings if they are primary sources. Data directly from the manufacturer states -7.4 for the 2A8.
The Norwegian army list their version of the 2A8 as -7.67 (which there is a forwarded report for, hopefully that minor discrepancy gets correct as well).
The Leopards should be fixed, but everyone knows very well that German winrates are NOT a product of their vehicles precisely…
This isn’t a good way to frame the cause.
Exactly; the German Leopard 2A8 did not receive the SPECTUS II—only the Norwegian version did—but KNDS reused the documentation and ended up making a grotesque error, even regarding the vehicle’s weight.
The Norwegian version doesn’t have the sight in the original position either. Both versions have it mounted at the front of the hull.


