No it is not. As said It is a Source that was for a whole Completely different Series of Tanks that had different Requirements and Changes done! Even the Leopard 2A7V Nerfs feel shady because Literally the Book from a Lieutenant Colonel who is also The Project Manager of Leopard 2 Related Procurements of the Bundeswehr wrote For the 2A7V with -9° and +20° Elevation. (The Book´s Title is GESAMTWERK LEOPARD 2 from Frank Lobitz at Page 632)
Germany did not receive a single Tech Tree MBT Since December 2023 and Other Nations received their Top Tier Tanks with APSs aswell so why not for Germany or Sweden aswell since Sweden was also in dire need of new Tank and especially a APS Tank. Additionally there are A few MBTs with an APS that Gaijin Could Add. The Leopard 2A7A1, The Leopard 2 AWISS, The EMBT 2022, The Leopard 2 Technologieträger with AMAP ADS, The Leopard 2 ARC 3.0, maybe even a KF51. Like Germany Has a Lot of MBTs that they Made/created in collaboration with other Companies with an APS.
Plus About the Bug Reporting System Part:
No Honestly for a lot of Bug Reporting Managers simply do not read the Report Properly and Cherry Pick the Best and Worst Traits.
i Know these are T series mbts + china dude, i’m sorry, i couldn’t find an abrams fuel tank eating it like that, and when it happened to me, i didn’t really bother with obs, but in all honestly, fuel tanks are eating spall like crazy as of late, i have been playing abrams m1 kvt, after picking it up on sales, in order to finish up grinding my american tree, and genuinely, my m1kvt, EATS the bloody round with fuel tanks like crazy, sometimes you will loose 2 crewmembers without even taking out the basket, sometimes you can loose only 1, sometimes even zero, sometimes ofc you will get the full damage and subsequently die to second shot
Basically, the fuel tanks are genuinely really weird right now, i know they act irl as additional armour to a degree, sure, but it feels a bit ridiculous, i mean, i myself have benefitted from this on multiple occasions, as well as doing barely any damage to an abrams, due to the shell going through the fuel tank
Well no wonder you fail to understand basic things. Unfortunately even putting word in “brackets” didn’t help you to understand.
Simple fact is - Abrams has only 2 crew sitting in a row, Leo has 3. Not that hard to grasp.
Simply not true
Not every shot cripples your ability to move. Also if you survive first shot you can have from 4 to ~10 seconds till followup shot, many things can happen during this time, including enemy death. Again you failed at understanding what we are even discussing, survivability means how likely for you to not die from 1 shot, not how you are likely to not die in worst possible situation.
well you tried to pick a scenario where the abrams theoretically has the edge. in a situation where youre better to just shoot the track out and reposition to full crew wipe.
inoperable for 30+ seconds at best. Thats dead
use FPE and be stun locked for 3 seconds when someones just crippled you or gamble on a burn out
Only to be as free of a kill as you can really be in WT
also why not just shoot the turret neck? its a safer shot on the abrams as its turret wing is weak and you blast the breech out.
Both are gameplay wise not doing too good but the best abrams is faring worse than the 2a8 using the same shell at 500m, honestly even the 2a4 does better from a hull hit like that.
(Also Too be completely Honest I honestly Expected the Leopard 2A7A1 to appear first than the 2A8 since it is in Actual Service and some german crews in Lithuania have started to do some fun yet cool editing with the Leopard 2A7A1).
Why would I show the scenario where outcome for both us the same when the point is to show the difference? Abrams has more scenarios where crew lives, and my job is to demonstrate those, thats how comparisons work, you don’t show how some things similar, you show how they differ.
No, I said it to Avenger and will say to you - in this time many things can happen. Also survivability is about how likely for you to survive a shot, if you gonna increase time frame for consideration to the entire engagement then none if the tanks can be called survivable, all will be crippled and subsequently killed. But not all encounters are made equal. Survivability is about how often, and this is determined by many tiny scenarios. And Abrams simply has more those tiny scenarios where it will survive and leo will not, those scenarios amount to a better average in favor of Abrams.
I will give you benefit of the doubt and kindly point to the fact that in shot analysis Leo has full ammo which eats spalling.
Have you actually seen the thing in an X Ray frontally?
Shoot at the center and EVERYONE dies. EVERYONE is inside the spall cone zone.
The driver in the middle; gunner and commander only marginally to the right (your left), and loader, only marginally to the opposite side.
All turret neck shots kill all 3 turret members, and most hull shots kill 2-3 crew members, even all 4.
Actually i did find a situation similar to what i described, this is my m1 kvt, getting shot by 3bm42, while yes, there is spall, look how little damage it did ? i mean, it failed to take out my basket,so i proceeded to shoot back, which on the leopard, to my experience, gets taken out basically with any penetration really
Actually i just found another situation of me getting shot, just look at that spall, or rather, nonexistence of it(don’t mind the second shot, there the spall was normal, just the placement was shit, ALTHOUGH, the spall really did only generate after going through the entire fuel tank, from left to right)
Belive it or not, found the third one right afterwards
Yeah the point im making is, fuel tanks are seemingly really good at decreasing the spall, like sure, its still there, but what the hell is this damage ? My basket lives like crazy, so i just shoot back and win, or simply survive if we both shot at the same time, or if we both fluke( if him shooting me like that and dealing no damage can even be called a fluke), i outreload the dude, cause glorious 5.3-5.4 sec reload
Abrams is sooo goooood, i love it
First video, spall was generated by the bulk head, like i said, second, non penetration, third spall was also generated. None of thse are like with the t series with their unprotected fuel tanks. The only comonality between these is just that they are bad shots nothing else.
I’m not gonna claim consistency on this result, but genuinely, the fuel tanks on the abrams can really save you at times, its inconsistent, and not something you necessarily rely on, but this definitely happened to me, more than simply those occasions i am showing, and it happens not just to my abrams, but to opponent ones as well, sure there is a better shot, the turret ring one, when it comes to abrams, but in fairness, after the abrams model rework, making ot more volumetricy, at least at 13.3 it scarier to shoot there, you can really just nonpen cause of volumetric bs, so uhm, pretty damn nice ?
the second video was very much a penetration ?
I mean, he went through the hull, and went so far as to go through said fuel tank, the fuel tank was gone after that shot,you can even see it dissapearing so uhm ? it just didn’t generate any spall, which frankly, i can’t explain.
Was stopped by the bulk head, that is a non penetration.
Btw as a rule of thumb in game spall that actually can kill you is generated by the last plate inside of the tank, on the abrams fuel tanks that is the bulk head, on the leopard fuel tank is the side plate, on spaced armour is the innermost plate
Sigh… Like… as said… the Numbers written in that Brochure are just not even for the Vehicle itself. Thats like saying a brochure about one thing and applying on the other despite having 0 connections to that particular vehicle itself, And we now know that the KNDS Brochure has yet again lied again because in the Rollout itself it has yes a reduced Depression but not by -7.4° but rather -7.7° which sure is still a bummer but i mean heck its at least the latest info than that single Brochure.
