German tanks are op guys lets just nerf em in every aspects and way we can with nonsense reason
winrates btw:
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That BR heatmap is heavily flawed in it’s sourcing and is woefully inaccurate for a few nations.
While Germany definitely is not doing well in top tier, it’s not as extreme as that heatmap shows.
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my bad then but still problem remains
Are you trying to justify the nerfing of the vehicle based on statistics?
not completely they been doing this nerfs for a longtime we had enough of this
It took me 5 minutes of recherche to find out that the gun depression of the 2A8 is not just -7.4 degrees. But a multimillion dollar companie can´t find that out?
They know it, but they just don’t want to admit it, using various reasons to silence Tang Sai and weaken the Leopard 2 A7 and A8
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Please share those findings if they are primary sources. Data directly from the manufacturer states -7.4 for the 2A8.
The Norwegian army list their version of the 2A8 as -7.67 (which there is a forwarded report for, hopefully that minor discrepancy gets correct as well).
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The Leopards should be fixed, but everyone knows very well that German winrates are NOT a product of their vehicles precisely…
This isn’t a good way to frame the cause.
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Exactly; the German Leopard 2A8 did not receive the SPECTUS II—only the Norwegian version did—but KNDS reused the documentation and ended up making a grotesque error, even regarding the vehicle’s weight.
The Norwegian version doesn’t have the sight in the original position either. Both versions have it mounted at the front of the hull.
All in-service 2a7 deriratives do besides the 3 or 4 examples in the Danish military
Have the sight at the front of the hull or on top of it?
In this case, gun depress angle should be limited -7.4. but, in War Thunder only EMBT has such hull. Not 2A7V and 2A8
Yeah I’m saying this is a one off case, 99% of 2a7/a8s do not possess such a camera, as it is mounted into the front of the hull rather than on top
Are you saying that primary-source brochures existed and were publicly accessible between 2010 and 2023, yet Gaijin failed to notice them and implemented erroneous data into the game? …No, of course not. You were just waiting for players to report it so you’d have an excuse to nerf the Leopard 2, right?
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If the data could have been used to justify a buff for Russian tanks, Gaijin would have implemented that even if it were nothing more than a child’s drawing.
If Gaijin is willing to accept a photo from the Norwegian military explaining the gun elevation and depression angles of the Leopard, they should logically also accept a video from the German Bundeswehr stating that the Leopard 2A7V has a gun depression of -9 degrees. yet they choose not to.
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