40º/s for horizontal and vertical speed
Dude the 3bm22 is a short rod with horrific angle pen in comparisson.
As well as that, the DM23 on the 2A4 will go clean through any part of a T72.
Have you got a source for that 415 at 100 meters?
The A1 and A2? what is the leopard 1A2? xD apart from in italy, you mean the 1A5? which has LRF, thermals, DM33, good mobility, good reload and is 9.3?
You can LFP the T72 with the same APHE BTW 257mm is enough to get through it.
How about myself ? i’ve nearly 600 or so battles across all my 2A4s alone.
They’re absolutely the best 10,7s in game right now still .
I’d say the armours a 6/10
Firepower 6/10 cause the reload rate
Survavibility the same and gun handling etc the same.
I’ve got 9 out of 10 nations Ground at top tier, the 2A4 can still ball even when I uptier it to 12.0 / 7
It’s the exact same mate. it’s because you aren’t seeing it aced / with full modifications.
Like all 2A4s in game are identical bar the STRV121 as it gets to start with a dart
Okay thank you
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So? It’s 2 brs higher, by that logic Sd.Kfz.251/9 can perform very well 2 brs higher (3.3).
Turret traverse.
Vertical gun traverse.
Gun depression & elevation arc.
Thermal sights, and if present, their generation.
2 BRs higher?
1 and a half mate.
The 2A4 also absolutely ragdolls every from 10,3 and down. I’ve no idea why you’re here saying a 9.3 T72 is better cause it’s got more flat pen on a worse round.
Get the tanks and try them out.
if for example 2A4 got a penbuff or got DM33 it woudl go to 11.0 easily.
Thank you
So what you’re trying to say is that DM23 is better? CRAZY
No. The game is a triangle of armor/gun/mobility. You can argue that mobility is more important in the meta, it doesn’t mean that armor doesn’t impact engagements.
I did not state that armour plays no role in War Thunder.
What I said is that the game isn’t about who’s got the most armour. If it were, the T-90M wouldn’t be the worst 12.7 (arguably alongside the VT4A1).
Mobility is more important than armour.
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You can find plenty of vehicles which range from average/great because they have fantastic mobility for their BR with average or mediocre stats everywhere else.
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It’s much more difficult to find vehicles that are average/great, while they only have good armour, and nothing else going for them.
Go back and look at your best matches (most kills) in top-tier, actually pay attention to how many times you were hit and how many opponents you shot that never even spotted you.
Point being: A good player generally doesn’t get shot at much, making armour fairly pointless. In contrast, a good player will utilize good mobility in every single match.
Armor has a direct correlation with enemy reaction time that people do not think about very much. You can make this even worse by applying bushes to your tank.
Survivability onion.
If you expect armour to be a primary reason for you to survive engagements, you’re not going to survive long
Hence why mobility tends to take precedence over armour.
Armour is also most important in the turret rather than the hull (hull down positions etc)
Which vehicles like leopard 2s and the Abrams have while T-series can get their breech shot out through the roof
Things nobody said for $500
A4 either needs Dm33 to stay at 10.7 or needs to be 10.0 if it stays with DM23, which is just too obsolete.
What 2A4 (and any Leo2 for that matter) really needs is reload time adjustment si that expert crew + fully trained loader matches T-80 6 second reload. With it, DM23 would be sufficient.
Thodin strikes again.
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Ladies and gentlemen, another Thodin classic take!
But hey, IPM1 to 10.3 when? T-80U to 10.7 when?