Leclerc is good wherever he is, he’s highly versatile and can play various roles thanks to his mobility and reload speed, quick attacks, can defend one point and switch to another quickly, a good sniper, good in close-range combat. What can hinder him are only the terrible map designs we have.
it’s a good tank but not as good as other 12.7 tanks because of it horrible survivability
is my opinion
what is a hyperbar?
Yes, that can sometimes be your Achilles’ heel, but the trick is to avoid putting yourself in risky situations. I even found its survivability better than the Type 90’s, for example. I don’t know about the Type 10, but I’m close to getting it. Leclerc’s turret can also do some hulldown, although not reliably, but sometimes it works.
What you are saying is basicly just not get hit
But the type 10 can also do that just as good if not better
Well the ofl 120 F2 is just an ofl 120 F1 with “uranium appauvri”, the good shell to recieve as an apfsds-t would be the ofle 120 F2 or the shard.
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That and basically being an m1a1aim with comparable armor for the hull (at least front), comparable ammo, both gen 2 or 3 commander and gunner thermals at least for the leclerc SXXI (all the other leclercs dont get commander thermals), same turret traverse and vertical gun elevation speed and same max elevation/depression. Both have 5 second reload as max
But the leclerc got significantly worse turret armor (from the front at least) with a breach thats even bigger than the abrams. But it is 12.7 instead of 12.0 where the aim sits.
If anyone could explain to me what the leclerc does so much better to be 0.7 br higher while having worse armor (apart from max reverse speed, having an autoloader and no modelled turret basket yet) I’m all ears.
EDIT: actually i was even wrong about the comparable hull armor since the lower front plate of the leclerc has an insane amount of 70 mm armor and can get penned with crew loss by the chaffee, while the m1a1 has upwards of 400 mm against apfsds (just to compare the 2 areas of both tanks) all over the lfp…Oh and all abrams have 2° more gun depression, while one could argue thats negligible, the 8° the leclerc has is only 2 more than the t90m…and in quite some positions 8° is still annoying to use, you have to overexpose and it can and will get you killed or you wiff shots due to suspension kicking in when the depression suddenly isnt enough.
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did you get an expert crew M1A1 or is it still aced?
technically true
but most dont because the average player in any of these does not have ace crew (a lot of players dont even have expert crews), whereas the leclerc gets that reload on a level one crew, and you dont need to invest anything to be able to have that reload
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Iirc that is still aced.
if you want I can try it with expert
if you let me know where your testing and stuff
Go to cargo port, get a flat and clear area and just record 0-68.
At this point, fix the armour or give us shard.
Or half functional mobility would at least be a start.
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The VT-4 and VT-4A1 aren’t any better. They have far worse reload rate and one of the worst armor and survivability performances.
I guess that the last BR change isn’t final, and there will be an additional BR decompression in the near future, when those MBTs will be adjusted and placed into BRs which are suitable for their performance.
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What Leclerc needs most may be a good track. When you compare Leclerc and M1, you will find that although Leclerc should have the same flexibility, its bad track destroys everything. It cannot stop when it should stop, nor can it turn quickly. It lacks armor itself, and bad tracks even prevent it from turning towards the enemy’s direction in a timely manner. At the same time, it often slips out of cover and is destroyed by the enemy due to it.
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if Leclerc have same track like M1,at least it can be a glass cannon, maneuverability allows it to avoid direct confrontation with enemies.But all of this was ruined by the terrible tracks, now its steering performance is even as bulky as the Challenger2, and its grip performance is also suck.
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it can’t drive up a slight uphill and turn while doing so when starting from a full stop, i mean…im not sure the devs at snail hq have ever seen a real tank or a video of one moving in rough terrain…the leclercs uphill mobility is only rivalled by the ITO which, the snail seems to believe cant go uphill at all. The french (or whoever built the chassis) seemingly have just built a military spaa and ifv chassis that is restiricted to be used going downhill only. flat after the downhill may be ok, but flat only is already a problem. (which is extra funny because i remember a tug-of-war me in a mbt vs a pantsir shortly after its introduction. needless to say the 60 ton mbt didnt have much of a chance…)
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It’s true that auto loaded 5 second reload is a strong attribute of the Leclerc. But there aren’t many other redeeming points and far too much wrong with it for Leclerc to be effective.
For example, the Type 90 is at 11.7 with a 4 second autoloader. It doesn’t have a top tier equivalent round, nor Gen 2 thermals of Leclerc, but its armor is comparable. Not to mention better mobility, hydropneumatic suspension, and LWS - which the Leclercs lack. Leclerc would be well balanced at 12.0 or lower.
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Finaly a sensible comment!
Playing Leclerc at top tier currently feels like playing at a disadvantage. If it can’t get a better round or better armor, then it should definitely go down in BR …
It’s kind of crazy to think it is placed at the same BR as Type 10 which is better than Leclerc in all areas
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Whether the Leclercs belong at 12.3 or 12.7 is a fair discussion, but lets not act like it isn’t still pretty easy to play.