Lecercs should not be 12.7

many people complain about the round the lecercs get but the main problem in my eyes is it’s durability vs other tanks at the same br.

ofl 120 f1 vs other tanks

ofl 120 f1 vs 122 b+
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(the green spots on the turret cheeks don’t actually work)
ofl 120 f1 vs 2a7v
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ofl 120 f1 vs t90m
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ofl 120 f1 vs m1a2 sep v2


(the upper front plate is almost only ricochets)

them vs Leclerc azur

slpprj m/95 vs Leclerc azur


(can sometimes pen the turret cheeks as well)
3bm60 vs leclerc azur

(can’t go thru turret cheeks but can go thru front plate)
dm53 vs leclerc azur

m829a2 vs leclerc azur

i know i picked some of the best tanks at the br but that kinda proves my point i feel
of example the type 90 has prob worse armour but it has a 1 sec faster reload and a much better round
the challengers and the Merkava’s have many of the same issues and i think they should also be moved down
i don’t know enough about the Chinese ones to form a opinion because i rarely ever see them in game

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just realized i forgot the mention the reload and why i don’t think that matter that much
the main thing is that if you shoot someone and they are not disabled or dead on the first shot you are dead
the reload relies on other people being bad to use it well

All nations has and it seems to need at least one top tier vehicle per tech tree. Using Italy as example, Ariete AMV main battle tank is battle rating 12.3 despite the highest battle rating for ground vehicles being battle rating 12.7, which the Leopard 2A7HU is at. Do you have any suggestions of which vehicle can replace Leclerc in this regard? In my opinion Leclerc is a great vehicle, decreasing battle rating won’t solve it issues because anything can pierce through anything in this battle rating, so the complains and concerns won’t solve, unless you want Leclerc to jump from battle rating 12.7 to battle rating 8.0 which will indeed makes its armor ‘work’.

giving it ofl f2 , correct armor on the upper plate and spall liners whould make it a 12.7

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so… the Leclec got speed of 80km/h, good engine and 5 seconds of reload with blow out panels and LWR you saying it’s not good enough??? only bad tank at top tier tbh is NONE

i completely disagree that all nations need something at top teir
i want all nation to be somewhat balanced

72 kph, about the same engine as everyone else, the reload doesn’t matter and only one of them have a lwr also not saying it’s bad just saying it’s worse than almost everything it fights against not a lot worse but still worse

Quick question do you think M18 Hellcats should sit at BR where their protection would be same as its contemporaries?

How does the reload not matter, it’s literally one of, if not the upside of the Leclercs.

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The Leclerc is pretty much an equal to the M1A1, it should be 12.0 along with M1A1.
M1A1 HC Specs should be 12.7.

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the reload doesn’t matter because if you don’t kill in one shot you die
you don’t have time to reload

Really…

You mean like with in every other tank ?
Thats crazy man…

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why you think that? did you was is situations when you need few milliseconds faster reload? because i had that a lot while playing China ground

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mid to low teir is very different from top teir.
the m18 has a large mobility advantage compared to many other tanks at the same br where as the leclerc has about the same as everyone else

Exactly and there are a lot of people which wiff their shots on you and don’t have an expert crew or a russian tank and then just die to you and your 5 sec autoloader.
Saying the reload doesn’t matter on the Leclerc is really something else.

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yes like evry other tank
however it is much easier to kill a leclerc than a 122 b+ for example

Leclerc azur is the only leclerc that has lwr. and it trades a commander thermal for it. It also struggles to turn in place, i bet any t80bvm without neutral steering is turning quicker

And all of them are firing worse darts than the one the m1a1 at 11.7 has access to, for some reason.

yes the reload does help sometimes but not enough to actually matter if you are in the situation where you have both shot and you are both reloading you both just messed up bad

Yea obivously and it trades that for having 6sec reload with an ACE crew, which not a lot of people have anyway and it would still be slower.