Well, not anymore if it’s made 4.3.
Right now, Russia 4.0 is a very solid lineup; even after some of their 3.7s (T-34 1942) were uptiered to 4.0.
But now it’s being torn apart with VK-1S being thrown into 4.3… and if KV-1E were too, the only heavy tank available for 4.0 is the extremely mediocre 3.7 KV-1 U-11.
With KV-1S and KV-1E sitting at 4.3… the rest of their lineup would still be 4.0. Except now those 4.0s would need to face 5.3s.
Uptiering the 4.0 KV-1s is effectively uptiering the whole 4.0 lineup, unless you are willing to play a 4 4.3 vehicle lineup.
I don’t think vehicles should be balanced based on such specific premises tbh.
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with KV-7 and KV-1S going to 4.3 and SU-85 already being there it will still be a very good lineup. Also don’t forget Yak-9K is 4.3 in GRB.
If such single premise can even out it’s performance with a tank that in your version of the game would be higher in BR it should absolutely be taken into account
I still find a lineup without Medium Tanks to be… odd.
You would either have heavy tanks with weak gun and not-so-relevant-anymore armor, or a solid tank destroyer (I’ll give it that).
KV-7 is kinda neat, but a limited event vehicle not everyone has. Besides, I don’t think it’s as good as the KVs, since it can’t even be angled at all, so we are looking at 100mm flat plates facing 150+mm pen shells.
Lineup without medium tanks? Why? Just take a 4.0 T-34 it will perform more than fine…
BRs aren’t strict rules, if it doesn’t affect the gameplay that much you can bring over vehicles from different BRs
I don’t think a 4.0 T-34/76 will be performing fine at all against Panther Ds, M4A2 (76)s, T1E1s and ARL-44s…
Then just don’t spawn it in full uptiers? You know what BRs you are playing at before you spawn in. You probably won’t spawn your T-34 in 5.0 matchmaking either
When “just don’t spawn in uptiers” is an argument, it is lost, in my opinion. The same used against heavy tanks ruined by compression, etc.
When you have a lineup, you should be able to play all of it in any match.
If half your lineup is rendered so obsolete that you should “just not spawn it” more than half the matches, there’s a big balance problem.
With 1.0 BR matchmaking range it’s unavoidable. For example you won’t spawn an IS-4M or Maus in an uptier unless you want to suffer.
Until BRs get properly decompressed or we get matchmaking changed to ± 0.7 this situation can’t be avoided. There are some tanks that will end up being broken in downtiers and obsolete in uptiers
It wouldn’t be with the proper decompression this game has been in need of for years.
Uptiers should be mild inconveniences, not matches where half of all of your vehicles are rendered obsolete; and downtiers should be slightly favourable, not a chance to stomp on everyone.
However, moving compression from BR to another doesn’t fix anything, which is what’s being attempted with KV-1E and what’s been done on practically every half-assed BR change. We need full decompression across the board.
EDIT: for the record, I just saw this, hahah. Made my comment before seeing it. Was it an edit or did I miss it?
Do whatever you guys want, the ARL-44 (the good one) can easily knock anything either full uptier or full downtier. KV-1E will be the equivalent of an BT-5 armor plate is for an 12.7 mm M2HB.
The duality of War Thunder forums:
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Heavy Tanks are useless because they face things that penetrate their Armour (Tiger IIP/H/Maus/IS-3 etc.) and should be downtiered
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Heavy tanks with armour are extremely overpowered (KV-1B/E/220/Jumbo Pershing/279 etc) and need to be uptiered
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the M4A4 (SA50) at 5.0 that it already sees, vs the 76 shermans that it would see in a max BR, its pretty fuckin OP considering the KV-1 (L-11) cant even pen it, despite being the same tank with slightly better amour
duality of war thudner
Tiger II (H) and Jadgtiger stay at 6.7
AMX-M4 and AMX-13 go to 7.0
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the M4A4 sa50 does the exact same thing, and already fights the KV-1E so that entire point is invalid
I mean it already is for 17 pounder. And with the amount of uptiers basically every match.
it fights the 17 pounder in downtiers as well
I know it just fights them more often in uptiers.