11.7? that’s already over
tiered, this plane is 11.3 at BEST ,with stuff like the J7D at 11.0 and the mig 23ml at 11.7 and the thailand f5 that also has all aspects at 11.3 (with the same missiles az the c7 btw) as well as an actual functioning radar that even has eegs ,12.0 is just lunacy for the kfir c7 , at 11.7 is already uptiered let alone at 12.0 going against su 33 and F14 as well as mig 29 and f16 not to mention the pesky premiums with irccm AND good fox 1s
If 11.7 is over-tiered for Kfir C7, you have to hold that take for Mig-23ML, F-5E FCU, JA-37s, etc otherwise there is bias in your position.
Because you never fought at that BR bracket 12.0 is a death sentence to the Kfir C7 it has 36 countermeasure not large countermeasure regular goodluck notching those second gen SARH Missiles like the SkyflashSupertemp, AIM7F/M/P, R27/ER1 and the Matra Super 530F/D hell you get killed by IRCCM and ARH missiles because 12.0 BR will drag you to 13.0. Even if you are fast due the a single J79 from F4 Phantom and 4 Python 3 Missiles which has better kinematics like the magic 2s in the end it will not help the meta at all choosing Kfir C7 vs the Mig 23ML i rather choose Mig 23ML atleast it has 60 countermeasure 2 SARH missiles has the same speed as the Kfir C7.
It’s a fucking Mirage 5 with F-104 Engine, shitty RWR, Shitty flare count, crap weapon suite at12.0. Mirage F.1 has a pair of Magic 2 and fuckload of CM and it sit at the same BR as Kfir.
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Hell the Phantom FG1/FGR2 have good missile loadout than the Kfir C7 AlvisWisla forgot that 11.3 up to above are Missile Thunder gameplay when a good Missile loadout with good Countermeasure load it will be between victory or defeat in a single match.
@Peter_Barakan
Well, I hope one day you fight at 12.0 like I have many times.
I’ve never needed to notch SARHs at 12.0 because of terrain following and knowing kinematics.
Mig-23ML doesn’t have a PD radar to utilize those AIM-7E2 missiles effectively, nor does it have Python 3s.
Funny that in my spaded C2 I have a 2:1 KDR despite using it as a flighter bomber.
And despite using C7 exclusively as a bomber, my survival rate is positive. And I definitely crashed at least 3 times due to game servers saying no thanks.
In-fact, here’s the mods list: I’m 3 mods away from using it as a fighter.
Kfir C7 is one of the best fighters at 12.0. Python 3s and good airframe performance with that powerful engine.
I think only Tornado F3 has an objectively better missile loadout at 12.0.
The Kfir C7 is not good at that BR it cant save its self from a radar missile and you being drag to 13.0 in which its a equivalent to a suicide pact in your team. The only redeeming factor is that your Python 3s which loves flares and your very hot of an J79 engine strapping in your airframe with canards. AlvisWisla just above the bell curve statistically but most of the players includes me and this 80% that voted that his planes BR needs to be 11.7 we are the majority that this plane needs a BR reduction of 0.3 in Air RB.
the C7 is fine (once you get the 4 pythons) the only problem is the stock grind, if it got like 2 stock python 3s and had to research to get the other 2 missiles it would be great
cant really take a poll from a year ago at full value
Have you flown the Kfir C7 in this patch now gaijin put the prem Hornet at 12.7 and the regular Hornet at 12.3 the Kfir C7 will be uptiered all the time.
It’s a tragedy for any 12.0 really. ESPECIALLY if it’s a tech tree vehicle because god forbid premiums are at a BR they actually belong to
Multipathing, speed, and terrain following is what I use against radar missiles most of the time, and the most common method of death for me is IR missiles.
Even gun frags are more common against me than radar missiles.
There are millions of players, a poll is insignificant and holds biases.
F-18s being under-BR’d is not a reason to under-BR other aircraft.
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It’s easily outclassed by the mig23 which sit at a lower BR.
They have radar, good radar missiles, better for dogfighting, faster in a straight line, and more countermeasures too, IIRC.
All the Kfir has in exchange is a bit stronger acceleration and 4 of the best non IRCCM IR missiles which are easily 1 flared anyway. Also, without radar to slave the missiles, you will have many situations that you are trying to lock someone and your missile starts locking a random flare or a missile instead.
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I have exclusively flown the kfirc7 since the hornets were added
let’s not forget that kfir canards has a bigger br than j7D and j35xl.
so?
The entire Kfir series is over br…
why? what does this have to do with j7d or j35xs?
kfir canard with 2 aim9g missiles has a bigger br than the j35xl with 6x aim9j and bigger than the j7d with 4xpl5 or pl7 (magic i)
both have similar flight performance however, the kfir canards is 11.0
The J-35XS is hardly a fair comparison. The only thing it has over the Kfir canard is 4 more missiles and a radar. It’s overall worse.