Sweden get’s significantly better SPAA options at all brs than America does, and they get alot more. The only nation that has it as bad as America is Israel, but Gajin’s neglected Israel since day anyways so that’s expected.
have you played sweden SPAA line?
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Do you even know what you’re talking about?
Yes…
the USH is a bad R3, the VEAK 40 got stripped of its HE-VT, the Leo-2 mrksmn is an over BR’d Gepard, the 40mm truck and tank suck in the RPM department, and you cant be super accurate at mid-long range, LVKV 9040C is good, dont know about top tier though, low tier is garbage
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Just be thankful Sweden’s R3 equivelant is at 5.3 and not 7.7 ffs.
Oh boohoo. guess who has worse radar, worse gun, and never got HE-VT to begin with whilst being at the same br.
Gepard is under BR’d anyways. besides, America doesn’t even get an SPAA for its 8.7 lineup. I would much rather have an 8.7 ItPsV than need to take M163 (7.7) to my 8.7 lineup.
The Lvtdgb M/40 is at 2.7, and is definetly more useful than an M16.
The L-62 Anti has better shells, but half the firerate of the M19/M42 and it’s 1.0 lower.
The Lvkv 42 has same the firerate of M19/M42, with better survivability, and better ammo, not only that, its firerate is in one gun, meaning it’s actually consistent instead of moving around between 120 and 240 RPM, unlike the M19/M42, and it’s only 0.3 higher.
Not to mention, Sweden gets ZSU-57 and better toptier SPAA.
The Lvkv is absolute ass due to having basically no ammo, and really only serves as a makeshift TD, and the ANTI II is a very poor SPAA vs planes.
In the anti-tank department maybe, but I would take quad .50s over it any day for AA purposes.
Its… still not a good SPAA? Its definitely better then the Lvkv, but that isnt a super high bar given how bad it is, and its really just a fast LT.
ZSU is ass vs planes, there is a reason why we use the Bkan for that.
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Lvkv gets 104 shots, which is just about the only area where it does worse than M19/M42, it’s a little less than 1/3 the ammo. It still does better at actually taking down air targets
It’s better than the nothing America gets between 4.0 and 7.7.
Thats uh… a LOT less. It will run dry with less then thirty seconds of firing, and for that reason it is horrible as an SPAA. Like its really hard to stress how bad this makes it, especially since it has no proxy rounds.
I mean technically-
ngl the M109 is prolly a better SPAA than the M163, but its reload rate and turret traverse make it easily abused by any1 who knows what they’re doing.
Yeah, the BkaN just shits on planes
Would the Hungarian 40M Nimród have a place in the game in your opinion?
I mean, its like, 70-80% copy paste, but if it is/was needed, I’m sure it would be fine, but its just an L60 Anti-II
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Guys we are talking about US TT SPAA.
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Need to get the M163A2 PIVADS w/ MK149 APDS rounds for 8.3. The APDS rounds increase range a bit but I think the penetration would be around ~60mm, still, every bit counts.
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You are not a moderator
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That was a single reply, no more over that
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There’s not many mid-range SPAA’s for USA
Want some vehicles that could be added, here’s two?
T249 Vigalante 35mm rotary gun system, a prototype only, and not enclosed
MIM-46 Mauler, a cancelled prototype vehicle, not fielded, in preference for the VADS
those are the only possible additions, as the rest are either multi-peice, or non-self-propelled
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Don’t forget the XM701 GLAADS
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Woah chillax dude, you have been talking about more than once. Thats why i said that. But thanks for the extra vehicle suggestions. I would love to see the t249 ingame
What would you suggest to fill the gaps? The T77 (AA Chaffee) might be useful
6 50 cals.
Gets difficult when the jets come in though for all shell firing SPAA.
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These vietnam era US SPAAs are quite good vs ground units, since they got 70+ mm pen. Enough to kill alot of common enemy tanks from the side or even frontally. Vs air not so bright, but nothing is perfect. Others might throw more lead into the sky, but are stuck with 49mm pen, which is not enough to reliably pen tank sides.
The question is what is better for a nation’s tech tree? It might be very advantegeous to have SPAAs which might serve as tank hunters. You need these magical 70mm+ pen to be effective vs. most ground units. US has it at rather conviniant BRs. Rus has it. France has it.
Ger for instance has just 49mm / 50mm pen for almost all SPAAs up to 6.0 BR. You fail to pen most tank sides with just 50mm pen. On the other hand Ger SPAAs are more effective vs. air than M-42 derivatives. Guess you can’t have both. Would be unblanced to have both features.
Not in Vietnam , North Vietnam won on 30 April 1975. 40mm VT shells started production some time in that same year.
But the M-42 was in service with the US National guard until 1988, Austria until 1992 and Japan until 1994 (along with several other nations that used them until between 1985 to 89). There are also Thailand, Tunisia, Greece and Taiwan that are listed as using it, but do not have a date of decommission so its possible that they are still in service, or at least maintained as reserve or training equipment .
So I would be surprised if non-of them at least tried using VT rounds in it during that time.