I suggest we stop bothering with the “muh realism” crowd, their standards only apply when it’s convenient for them.
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Japanese tiger was bought by Japanese authorities.
And how this makes less sense than non existent Kronstadt, keun kai and so on?
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Ok, but how hard is it to pick up some American guns and install them onto an already existing aircraft? Not very. They could easily have done it. How hard is it to get the Tiger tank into Japanese service? Much harder. They couldn’t even ship the Tiger over to Japan due to the naval situation. Even if they did that, one Japanese Tiger tank for testing is no reason to give Japan a premium Tiger. They probably never would have used it in combat or started their own production or anything. This is as stupid as giving the British a Jagdpanther, as they captured one post-war and tested it.
Not double standards, you just don’t seem to see the difference. Not my fault.
The XP-50 was a complete prototype, the guns were also complete and ready, but the guns weren’t mounted yet (for testing purposes). It literally takes no effort to just mount them, and they absolutely would have done it if the XP-50 would have had to fight.
The Japanese Tiger was just a German Tiger (which we already have), except on paper it was owned by Japan. But it couldn’t be shipped to Japan because of the naval situation. It was pysically impossible, unlike mounting some guns you have onto a plane you have. Even if it would have arrived, it would have just been used for testing and not much more.
The difference is that in WT we have a fully complete XP-50 and a Tiger in Japanese combat service. The XP-50 was almost fully complete and could super easily have been. The Tiger in Japanese combat service didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. It was nothing more than a Tiger in German combat service that “officially” was owned by Japan, but with absolutely no prospects of it ever being shipped to Japan or being put into any kind of service.
And no idea what you are saying or showing about time invested in tech trees, but nice one for getting rude at the end. Completely unwarranted over a little forum disagreement but ok.
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I know they bought it. That’s why I said “never physically owned”.
Yet another Christmas sale and I have nothing to buy. If they aren’t going to add any new premium tanks to Japan, then at least return this as normal premium tank or give 50% discount when buying gaijin coins.
There’s a pretty good reason that this fake vehicle isn’t being added back as a normal premium… it might have something to do with Japan never actually receiving or using it.
Considering we have an explanation as to why the HT6 was mistakenly added, then removed and never brought back, clearly you’re wrong and it should never have been added. As Ruthless95 explained, it was a mistake to add. So yeah, you lost the plot.
Ah yes, I must hate all Japanese vehicles because I complained about one fake vehicle… your logic is something else smh. Notice I haven’t even complained about some of the other fakes like the Ho-Ris, the R2Y2s, the J6K, etc., but sure, I must deeply hate all Japanese vehicles right?
Clearly you haven’t (or can’t?) read my posts explaining why this vehicle is entirely fake (always remained a standard German Tiger, never even reached Japan, never crewed or used by Japan, so Japan shouldn’t have it) compared to half fake vehicles, which did exist in a half or nearly complete form. As you can see, there is a big difference between nearly completing a brand new vehicle, and wanting to, but never actually giving a vehicle to some other country.
I will leave or stay in “your” thread whether I want to or not. That’s how they work.
And sure, blame me for someone else flagging your posts ages ago, you know you’re very petty to assume I did that because I simply don’t agree with this vehicle being in the game.
The vehicle isnt fake, Japan bought german equipment and recieved it, just because they didnt get the tiger doesnt mean they didnt own it, they PAID for the vehicle and everything else, so it was their property, and that alone is enough. Japan deserves to get vehicles like this, since gaijin is too lazy to actually add the many domestic vehicles that japan made or the ones they tested in Manchuria, this is the best we got due to their laziness.
That was well known from the beginning when it was added.
I know they paid for it and owned it on paper. Just refer back to like my last 10 replies, just owning a vehicle on paper but never actually receiving, crewing, or using the vehicle should not be enough for a country to get it and use it in combat in a game that’s supposed to be very strict on fake vehicles. This situation happened to a lot of countries that bought German equipment but the Germans confiscated the orders and used the vehicles themselves before ever delivering them. Those countries don’t get those German vehicles (and rightfully so).
Instead, I do agree Japan should get the actually Japanese vehicles that they made.
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Well, I’ve heard from several other people that it was added because the Japanese vehicle consultant lied and used false information to get many of the fake Japanese vehicles into the game and that they were later fired. Also the rules back then were way more relaxed, allowing many fake German vehicles to be added too.
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No your thinking of the lead consultant for the Chinese. The Japanese consultant quite on her own. She stated Gaijin implanted Japanese tanks in a nerfed state compared to the data she provided them and refused to fix them.
I’m just quoting what I heard. I don’t actually know myself what happened.
To give players practice at killing Tigers in the arcade.assault’s Japan map?
According to the Lend-Lease Treaty between Germany’s OKW and Japan’s Army and Navy, the heavy tank No. 6 that Japan lent to Germany were promised to be returned. However, about 80 years have passed since they were lent, but Germany still seems not to have returned the heavy tank No. 6 to Japan. (Of course, this complaint is a joke. It was probably invalidated by the peace treaty.)
Telegram: On Lending Weapons to Germany
Received date: September 30, 1944
Receiver: Japanese Navy Ministry
Sender: Japanese Naval Attaché at the Japanese Embassy in Germany
Content:
We are implementing a method to lend the materials that we purchased from the Military Affairs Bureau by confidential telegram No. 〇〇〇 in April 1943, which are difficult to transport, to Germany for the purpose of enhancing Germany’s war potential. This matter is called “Aktion Irma”, and we have concluded an agreement with Germany on the implementation rules. The agreement was signed on September 15 between the two military attachés of the Japanese Army and Navy and the trade bureau chief of the German Economic Ministry. The outline is as follows (this matter was also reported to the Japanese Army).
- The main responsibility for the receipt and return of the lent materials is borne by the German Economic Ministry (RWM).
- Weapons (war materials) are lent to the German Supreme Command (OKW), and OKW and the German Economic Ministry are responsible for the supply of compensation. Materials other than weapons are handled by the German Minister of Armaments, and the German Economic Ministry and the Minister of Armaments are responsible for the supply of compensation.
- On the Japanese side, the Japanese Army entrusts the commercial business to “Showa Trading” or “Iris Trading”, and the Japanese Navy entrusts it to “Ottowolf”.
- OKW creates a list of the received weapons and submits it to Japan.
- The time of lending is notified to OKW when the transfer order arrives at the storage place in Germany. In addition to the preceding paragraph, it will be implemented four weeks after the Japanese side notified Germany that it was not a problem to lend to Germany.
- The Japanese Army and Navy request the return of the weapons to OKW when necessary. OKW returns the weapons to Japan within a reasonable period and with priority.
- The lent weapons are returned in principle with the same type, quality, and quantity. If they cannot be returned, they are returned with the same kind of weapons with equal or higher quality and quantity. The return is decided by taking into account special agreements, prices, etc. The return method takes into account the wishes of the Japanese side as much as possible.
- The place of return.
a. The items lent in Bordeaux are returned at a port in Europe.
b. The items lent in the warehouse in Germany are returned at the German border.
c. The items lent in the factory are returned at the factory. - For the weapons and other items that Japan ordered from Germany and have not yet been delivered, Japan allows Germany to use the items other than the weapons that Japan needs.
The German Economic Ministry instructs the relevant parties to comply with the delivery date for the weapons and other items that Japan requests on time.
They do not seize the weapons and other items without the permission of the Japanese side. - The German Economic Ministry takes the necessary measures to be able to supply the weapons and other items according to the new delivery plan in response to the requests of the Japanese Army and Navy.
Source: On Lending Weapons to Germany
https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/meta-en/A17110562500
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So messed up thing to do :/
Because it’s a video game that is intended to be played for fun, and this vehicle is fun?
At that rate we could add the P.1000 or the KV-6, or hell, even the Millennium Falcon, I’m sure all of them would be fun…
No??? You absolute schizo its just a single Tiger, i swear Germany mains get so defensive when we want to fix historical innacuraccies in other nations german tanks