This is impossible due to the worst ARH users being worse than the top SARH users.
It’s debateable. I hold that ARH missiles, when used properly, more than make up for any deficiencies in flight performance that these early ARH slingers have. They can selectively just shut down any offensive capabilities of any SARH slinger until they are at point blank range.
At the same time, I appreciate the fact that these early ARH slingers give up a lot for this capability. Which is why I’m OK with them being in the same bracket, and even being in most games with them. If they were just 0.3 BR above the top tier SARH slingers, that would be fine.
What I have an issue with is high numbers of ARHs (Premium Su-30s) or ARHs on very competant airframes (F-16 ADF) being a mere 0.3 BR above the top tier SARH slingers, which results in a very skewed meta where the only factor that matters is how well these planes can deal with ARH spam. It’s why the F-15s got moved down, after all.
This I agree with.
Maybe if ARHs were properly good, but with how easy multipathing is that isn’t entirely true. I’d rather be in an Su-27 over a Viggen DI or Harrier any day, despite the latter having ARH missiles.
I’d consider the Su-27 a special case, due to the ERs which give it ARH-like performance at longer ranges. You’re less easily shut down by ARH jousting, since their window for forcing you into a notch is much shorter than with more average SARHs like Sparrows. Plus the ERs give it early game pressure, unlike other SARH slingers which have to close to ~10km to be a legitimate threat to anyone.
I also wouldn’t consider multipathing a consistent counter. It’s harder to do in larger, clumsier jets like the F-15 and Su-27, and it doesn’t work against ARHs fired from above you. It’s certainly an option, but not something I’d rely on to universally counter ARHs.
Plus, you also have to consider Fakour 90s (And, more uncommonly, AIM-54s), which have enough of a warhead behind them that they’ll probably still kill you with splash damage even if you multipath them.
Awareness
Being able to spot people near instantly with nctr is a significant advantage compared to a mechanical radar that struggles to keep a soft-lock on one person, let along many.
While not having nctr
This is the main issue here, compression
I wonder why we always go back to compression. Hmm
yes good radar help you see more clearly how Fkd you are when you see 4 arhs chasing you
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You notch, just like everyone else
You severely underestimate the difference in awareness an AESA radar gives you compared to mechanical
I suggest you try playing the F-16AJ at 12.7
Then you’ll see that having that awareness is actually incredibly important
They are either coming from one direction in which case whats the matter with defending against them, or they are all coming from different directions which is positioning issue which is hardly the planes fault.
Yeeeah Even using proper evasion tactics you can’t dodge all 5 of them when you run out of energy from dodging the previous ones, they don’t all come at the same time you know, there are intervals like 3-8 seconds between them
That sounds like your positioning is terrible
That’s not the plane, it’s you
Such a situation only really happens when you position badly, which is a skill issue
…you dogfight ARHs? Or am i misunderstanding something?
The interval isnt important, its the direction.
And they either come fromm one direction in which case you notch them all the same or from multiple directions in which case you bordked your positioning
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So you guys are saying it’s my fault that someone decided to flank and even when i’m 90 degrees from the missile and chaff it doesn’t always stay on the chaff even when i change altitudes or change directions so what kind of magic do you people use to be able to dodge all ARHs,
I can dodge the first 3 at least , The RWR on the F2’s perfectly show you the direction of the missiles so it’s easier to get that perpendicular angle
You have the 2nd best radar at 13.0 (maybe even the entire bracket of 12.0-14.0), good FM and defensive loadout
It probably is a mistake on your part that led to the enemy flanking you
As for your notch not working, you most likely just made a mistake when trying to notch.
Common mistakes are not hitting the notch angle and getting angle-gated
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I understand the Human error and skill issue but sometimes enemies just sling their ARH from 40 KM away and start notching so not much i could do in that case, and if I’m facing the flanker than the other planes just Dump their ARHs in my direction.
and yes even tho i’m complaining i still manage to get 2-4 kill in most games but it’s just very annoying and then you press tab in the middle of the game and your team has 3 people alive including you and the enemy still has 9+ planes alive chasing after you slinging their remaining 4 more ARHs each…
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The F-2A has a pretty awful flight performance and is reliably outrun by F-15 12.7. it has extreme compression.
BTW what F2 Camouflage is that ?
Limited time one from last esports tournament
Cant get it anywhere now
Even on wt live
in what way
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omfg how did I miss this quote