You just admitted that they are slightly weaker but still under-tiered and what tier comes after 13.3 ? 13.7 yes you are correct.
At least the F2ADTW should get the X-AAM4 the first experimental version idk gaijin comes up with multiple ahistoric BS when they need to so why not give it a X-AAM4 With some minor nerfs and tweaks , such as less G pull , or shorter range, or less explosive mass, easier to chaff…
like anything can be better than the AIM-7M we get because we are constantly against FOX3s
Because 13.3 is very popular now, many cool planes on 13.3 even the japanese Mig29N with R77 (RVV-AE) so i don’t see an issue and funny thing RVV-AE is almost the same as AAM4 sooo… 13.3
No i have it that’s why I’m saying it I can get 6 kills with 6 missiles on the Mig 29N the RWR is manageable sure you don’t know what’s shooting but you know where the missile is coming and the radar is meh but RVV-AE is making up for it , just launch it keep in your TWS until the missile get’s close enough to lock on the plane by itself and you’re free to notch and everything, and the mig 29 is faster than my F2s unless i climb on 8KM with an F2 and fly in a straight line like monkey.
while yes dog-fighting with F2 is amazing BUT first try to get close to the enemy when half of your team is gone due to FOX3 spams from 9/15 Premium SU30s
MiG-29 can’t hold that speed for long, it uses up an insane amount of fuel compared to the F-2, you have to run full fuel, with tank in order to even be able to go 104% throttle for a good part of the game
meaning you lose the speed advantage
you’re a fish out of water after one notch, there’s really not much you can do once the enemy defends (R-77s have terrible range btw, so there’s no real advantage there)
with the right launch parameters the R77 can achieve good results same goes for every missile.
And i have not run into any fuel issues with my MIG 29 since i carry a fuel drop tank and 20 Mins of fuel totaling at 30 mins which burns decently yes I agree but have you seen how F2 DEVOURS fuel ?
I can’t keep full throttle and i’m constantly managing how i use my after burner since it just consumes fuel like an endless void unless i’m on very high alt
Compensate fuel become hella heavy and a lot slower…
so if the argument is to be fast and you carry tons of more fuel you way TONS more and you are slower.
Drop tanks sure but full fuel tank hhh that just destroys your energy when you turn on the F2 and even one of the Suggestions moderator said that the F2 is indeed under performing in terms of energy retention and speed.
the plane is currently 4/10 at best compared to more capable planes. LOOK AT F15 ? 12.7 ?? you serious ?
it has more missiles is tons more faster. or F15JM and compare that to F2 TT , you would only pick F2TT over F15JM if you just want some more flavor and a more miserable experience, since you’re slower your ARH starts with less energy, Don’t have HMD/HMS unlike F15JM and you carry less missiles. what more do you need ? oh but Dog fighting . bro who dog fights at 13.7+ ? it’s just missile slings back to base come back sling more. like why ?
F-15J has a mechanical radar without TWS, F-2A ATDW has TWS and is AESA (I hope you understand how significant the diff between these two is)
F-15J also has a worse flight model, simply being faster doesn’t mean it’s actually on par or better
F-2 has better flight model and awareness, you spot them earlier than they spot you
you can make up for this with tall box ACM or using TWS and moving the scan area
have you ever had to carry a top tier game?
dogfight capability is still useful
The F-2 also holds energy better than F-15, letting it pull into and out of notches better
While yes, the F-2A may be worse than the F-15JM overall in 16v16
it is by absolutely no means a bad plane, it is actually very good
just has a higher skill floor
brother i have 1500 matches on the F2s alone. and i know their strengths and weaknesses well.
But while yes TT F2 is manageable the ADTW is not fun to play on AT ALL because of all of the ARH spams and constantly getting sucked up to 13.3+ 8/10 matches are in 13.3+ with 4 fox 2 vs Tons of FOX 3 and you have 120 CM in total and you’re not as fast in a notch to easily get rid of missiles.
so yeah TT F2 is at least fine, but the ADTW is suffering hard
EDIT: and even if you send your FOX 2 in a timely manner as soon as they sling an ARH you have to break a lock and start notching while they just notch once Lock gone missile self destructs because you can not relock that fast since you are busy notching so a wasted missile
Well while i was invested in trying hard to win i could manage a stable 1~1.2 avg but not after just diving head first sometimes and after i stopped caring at being good and started doing stuff that was just fun or interesting if i could get away with. the amount of times i just fly into 4 planes trying to dogfight is most likely the reason why my KS isn’t happy
and the F2ADTW was also the plane i learned how to play on higher tiers, as you can see i’m not lvl 100 meaning i didn’t slave away at the game and after i got the F2 ADTW high tier was a bit different to get used to after moving from 9.7 to 13.0 instantly it was indeed a learning curve to get used to all of the mechanics
But still, the F-2 is fine where it is. The only issue with the plane itself is that it requires skill to do well in (high skill floor)
Overall the br range itself is compressed as hell, the br ranges are too cramped in order to shift them around the trees effectively, which results in the premium flankers (the main issue) to be sitting next to vehicles that are just worse in every way (flanker vs MiG-29) because of a slightly stronger equivalent (Su-27SM) being one bracket above meaning you can’t move them up.
Moving other vehicles down so they fight the flankers less won’t fix anything, it’ll just result in more compression which makes the matchmaker worse for everyone
well Compression has always been the issue with this game but snail is difficult to deal with when it comes to that.
but yeah separating Fox 2 and Fox3 and just making a weak bridge between the two of those would be idea, Gaijin balancing doesn’t make it a pleasant experience.
Especially if you compare AIM-7M to R27ER
To show my point, just compare the F-16AJ and the F-2
we should not move the F-2 down to the F-16AJ’s br, simply because it’s better in every way (more missiles, better flight model, AESA radar WITH TWS, better IR missiles)
Now, if we did move the F-2 down, the F-16AJ would have to go down too right?
but then it ends up at the same br as the F-16A block 10, which doesn’t have any radar missiles
we can’t move the F-16A down because then it ends up facing things like
the F-4J,
or Su-22s
Or MiG-21s…
