You mean the main post suggesting moving Jagdtiger to 7.0 when already vehicles at 5.7 don’t struggle with penning it frontally?
Or are we talking about this comment?
If yes, then again:
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If reverse speed and reload was it’s main attractions it should have been designated a light tank. It’s main focus is armor and firepower.
Firepower: inferior to jagdtiger
Armor: inferior to jagdtiger
Speed: inferior to jagdtiger ( jagdtiger has better power to weight ratio and better top speed)
So You say that You are using tortoise in a wrong way and want it to be like Jagdtiger as You can’t use its attributes, got it.
I would disagree especially that it has twice as fast reload.
That is why it can reverse almost twice as fast.
Let me guess, You haven’t played Jagdtiger?
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I have not played the tortoise either, ur point being?
Oh, now I get it.
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Good for you
isn’t the gimmick of WW2 tank destroyers that…
- They got ridiculous firepower for their BR
- They got ridiculous armour for their BR (casemate) or ridiculous mobility (wolverines/hellcats/similar) with obvious drawbacks for both?
Given this assumption about the gimmick of tank destroyers… I don’t see a justification for moving a casemate higher than the medium/heavy tank its chassis is based upon.
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256 mm max pen solid shot (unreliable and low damage with the shot sometimes acting up on fuel tanks and crew) on a casemate TD at 6.7 where these is a certain turreted tank with 237 mm max pen aphe.
so many consistent weakspots (some very prominent) that almsot any tank at the same br can reliably pen, some can even be penned by lower br aphe.
it does have a nice reverse speed but the forwards speed and turing are meh~
talking about the tortoise.
272 mm max pen aphe with 786 g TNT eqv, sure to say you can obliterate anything you come across in one shot reliably (aphe in game in ridiculously reliable unrealistically so)
jagdtiger has the best frontal armor profile out of all the tier iv (6.7) tech tree vehicles.
jagdtiger has better forwards speed with a better power to weight ratio, i can’t comment on the turning.
6.3 jagdpanther.
Well nobody got a chance to get enough SP when why line up to eat 32lbs of tea and biscuits
You could take your own advice…
Did you know that there exist OTHER 6.7 casemate TDs with armor? Like the SU-122-54, which goes 50kph, has more armor than the tortoise, and access to APHE/APDS/HEATFS. Its reload at 12.3s is also far more comparable to the tortoise than the JT’s 18.2s.
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Do not mention 14.5mm that is really good against light tanks and air targets.
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Also at eating tracks and every light tank that can flank you quickly…
You said it yourself, Tortoise has the unarmored cupola and many armor holes. SU-122-54 has no such things and goes twice as fast, so where’s all the complaining?
Or have you just been malding that you died to a JT all along and so this thing being 6.7 with 122mm APHE and postwar ammo is just not relevant?
I have almost never been killed by someone that knew those weakspots, a solid 70% of my deaths have been from being mobility killed and overwhelmed by multiple tanks.
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these are for u saying good armor. it has decent armor i agree but nowhere near enough to pride on it.
let me ask you, who would you consider more similar to the tortoise: the jagdtiger or su12254?
Certainly better than the Tortoise.
SU-122-54 is closer in reload rate, frontal armor, traverse speed. The only thing the JT and Tortoise have in common is that they’re slow and huge.
Let’s see what else we can find at 6.7…
6.3, but:
So unless you’re shooting one of the Tortoise’s relatively small weakspots AND avoiding all the volumetric fuckery around them:
(like what the fuck even is this lmao)
It’s right on par with everything else that doesn’t have a reload over twice as long as it.
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exactly my point, make the tortoise 6.3,
machine guns and breaches have always been like this for conventional rounds, let’s compare this to the pixelsized weakspot of the jagdtiger.
volumetric is present on every tank that is more than paper. my apds shell disappears into m36s and m18s’ hulls due to volumetric so yeah idk what u getting at.
JT doesn’t have a myriad of edges and angles for shells to get stuck on. There’s the MG port, the mantlet, and that’s it. Additionally, it will be oneshot by 155mm HE hitting the mantlet, which isn’t the case for the Tortoise.
All of its armor except the mantlet is composed of flat, simple armor plates with very little overlapping. Once again, this is not the case for the Tortoise.
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It also has a range finder, which makes it more viable in long-range target engagement, ensures every long-range shot is fast and accurate.
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the tortoise has it’s fair share of flat armor, that’s much weaker than the jagdtiger’s. do you think 250 mm flat plate is not much?? anyway where am i even going with this lol. the tortoise needs to be 6.3 or it needs its apds if it’s going to stay at 6.7 .