256 mm max pen solid shot (unreliable and low damage with the shot sometimes acting up on fuel tanks and crew) on a casemate TD at 6.7 where these is a certain turreted tank with 237 mm max pen aphe.
so many consistent weakspots (some very prominent) that almsot any tank at the same br can reliably pen, some can even be penned by lower br aphe.
it does have a nice reverse speed but the forwards speed and turing are meh~
talking about the tortoise.
272 mm max pen aphe with 786 g TNT eqv, sure to say you can obliterate anything you come across in one shot reliably (aphe in game in ridiculously reliable unrealistically so)
jagdtiger has the best frontal armor profile out of all the tier iv (6.7) tech tree vehicles.
jagdtiger has better forwards speed with a better power to weight ratio, i can’t comment on the turning.
Did you know that there exist OTHER 6.7 casemate TDs with armor? Like the SU-122-54, which goes 50kph, has more armor than the tortoise, and access to APHE/APDS/HEATFS. Its reload at 12.3s is also far more comparable to the tortoise than the JT’s 18.2s.
Also at eating tracks and every light tank that can flank you quickly…
You said it yourself, Tortoise has the unarmored cupola and many armor holes. SU-122-54 has no such things and goes twice as fast, so where’s all the complaining?
Or have you just been malding that you died to a JT all along and so this thing being 6.7 with 122mm APHE and postwar ammo is just not relevant?
I have almost never been killed by someone that knew those weakspots, a solid 70% of my deaths have been from being mobility killed and overwhelmed by multiple tanks.
machine guns and breaches have always been like this for conventional rounds, let’s compare this to the pixelsized weakspot of the jagdtiger.
volumetric is present on every tank that is more than paper. my apds shell disappears into m36s and m18s’ hulls due to volumetric so yeah idk what u getting at.
JT doesn’t have a myriad of edges and angles for shells to get stuck on. There’s the MG port, the mantlet, and that’s it. Additionally, it will be oneshot by 155mm HE hitting the mantlet, which isn’t the case for the Tortoise.
All of its armor except the mantlet is composed of flat, simple armor plates with very little overlapping. Once again, this is not the case for the Tortoise.
the tortoise has it’s fair share of flat armor, that’s much weaker than the jagdtiger’s. do you think 250 mm flat plate is not much?? anyway where am i even going with this lol. the tortoise needs to be 6.3 or it needs its apds if it’s going to stay at 6.7 .
It does not. The only outright flat pieces are the ones to either side of the gun and top right next to the MG port - vs the entire JT’s superstructure.
As for angles, the JT’s UFP and LFP are completely constant aside from the MG port. Most of the Tortoise’s armor is cast and has almost no flat, even parts (or those that it has are 300mm+).
Tortoise can probably pen it, with some luck and getting close - or just shoot through the LFP, through transmission (because solid shot) and into the crew. So can the high caliber AP slingers (namely the very common T34) straight through the casemate, and pretty much every APDS/HEATFS shooter out there.
We are talking ramming distance close lol. Not to mention it’ll only tingle the crew if it does pen coz the solid shot needs to have excess kinetic energy to do damage, which is why it is a slightly underpowered gun at this br with all these heavies and chunks of metals about.
It’s a super fine 6.7 in my opinion. But maybe at 7.0 it’ll be very niche and not playable anywhere else besides a downtier so yeah rn I’m not trying to bump it up in br. I’m just making a case of the tortoise moving down comparing it to the jagdtiger and t28. And I’ve been mentioning it more often as of the last few comments but ig once u get the germans going there’s no stopping them.
