yeah J7 is good for boom and zooming them
just one?
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It often is when you get into merge and turnfight.
you dont have to dogfight if you dont initiate. the same way you can dodge a pl5b by being aware of your surroundings you can dodge a dogfight by simply being aware of enemies around you. as long as you dont get an f5 on your back he cant do anything to force the fight
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Just because you can’t handle it it doesn’t mean it isn’t OP.
I have not played a single plane outside of the F-4C and AV-8C that lose to an F-5 in a dogfight.
Su-22 wins when unswept, F-8E/U both win very easily, A-10A and A-7 win.
Mig-21 beats all of these, so I don’t see how a J-7D could lose to an F-5.
No offence, but this claim sounds a bit similar to the one which Alvis told us that F-14A wasn’t broken when it was 11.3 because he could easily kill them in his Mirage IIIC. :|
Maybe we need to cross-check between personal experiences which we had.
As long as the result of air combat has many factors which can lead to completely different outputs.
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When I say they beat an F-5 in a dogfight, I mean a 1v1, both planes undamaged, in the very rare circumstance that a Mig-23 doesn’t intrude in and ruin the whole thing.
Also I’m not saying I’ve never lost to an F-5 in a dogfight, or never won in an F-5 against those planes, I’m saying that whenever I play those planes, I know I can turn sharper than the F-5 at a maintainable speed.
I see J-7D, I put my funny green box on him and fire the two red rings of sadness. He is eliminated. So hard to fight
He must be dumb and thats explain why moved down to 10.7 even it was already decent at 11.0.
Average Rank VII premium jet spammers.
Exactly, it’s a premium spam, you’re going to see a lot of them and die to them. Should I cry on the forums and demand the F4S and the F-18 be moved to 13.0 since I die to them whenever I play 11.7-12.3? No, why? Because those planes are not that good, they just eliminate me more often because everyone is using them. China doesn’t have any premiums at 11.7+, so the best they can do is spam 10.3 lobbies and harass people there. It doesn’t mean they’re good, it just means they will always be in the 10.3 BR range.
Lol this is bait
Which is not that big of a problem, because a plane like F4EJ or F4E has a bad radar so it limits the scenarios it can even lock you up, you don’t have to do a 360’ scan with verticals cuz you know the ground clutter is doing 90% of the work for you at this tier.
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Most of the time I am the last one left on the team, so I am not often killed by the “Premium spammer” you are thinking of.
I don’t know about F-4S but, F/A-18A should go higher BR, if compare to other aircrafts. Also F/A-18C Early should also go higher BRs with AIM-9Ms because would be unplayable at 13.0 with current loadouts.
The reason they don’t move to higher BRs is that, while good in their own right, they need to take compression into account. However, there are several vehicles in the jet BR that don’t justify the current BR even when compression is taken into account.
Some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head are MiG-15bis ISh, CL-13 Mk.4, MiG-17PF/Lim-5P, F-104G(ROCAF), British Phantoms in SBEC, M2K C-S4 etc. Of cause MiG-21MF/SMT, J-7Ds are part of them.
Straight up lying. i defeated every vehicle you mentioned in a dogfight in F-5, A and E.
Congratulations, you will be given a parade in your honour because you survived a video game.
My apologies, let me emphasize my point. You (as in a general you, since English does not have a “plural you” I will just say everyone) are more likely to be eliminated by premium jets at that BR. Why, you might ask. Because around that BR range, there is a lot of premiums, hence why I call it the Premium Tiers. Simply because from 9.3 to 13.3, there are a plethora (that means a lot) of premium jets:
F-5: USA and Japan
A-10: USA
F-4: USA, UK, and Japan
Harrier: USA and UK
F-20: USA
F-18: USA
MiG 21: Germany, Russia, UK, and China
Tornado: Germany
Su-22: Germany and Russia
MiG 23: Russia
Mirage: France (F1C-200) and Israel (Kfir Canard)
Sweden: Saab J35XS
That entire list is basically everything from 9.3 to the 13.3 BR range, people are impatient and would rather buy those to grind out a tech tree (and eliminate the general you) than to play tech tree. That’s the simple truth. So while you may survive the general onslaught of noobs playing these premiums, that does not excuse that there is a notable premium spam that will lead to a higher chance of being eliminated by premiums more than a tech tree vehicle. That is why I say that the only reason why people are eliminated MORE OFTEN by the J-7D is because there is a notable spam of those jets than by someone actually playing tech tree vehicles at the 9.3 battle range.
This explains why, with a few exceptions, the BRs of premium vehicles are rarely changed, but still does not explain why the J-7D is not “OP”.
When I say “OP” or “overtiered” about a vehicles in the game, I mean that it has too many advantages over other vehicles sitting in the same BR, based on its disadvantages. Of course, “overtired” means the opposite. Probably the same may be true for most forum users other than myself.
Taking the J-7D as an example, the following fighters currently have the same BR as it.
The F-104G (ROCAF) and F-4F Early are clearly overtiered by most standards, so I won’t go into detail on them. However, the rest of the aircraft currently sitting at 10.7 BR are not, in my opinion, overtiered to the same extent.
Among them, the best F-5 variant at 10.7 is the F-5A (ROCAF). However, even this aircraft falls short when compared to the J-7D. In terms of armament, the F-5A is limited to two AIM-9P missiles, while the J-7D can carry up to four PL-5Bs, which significantly outperform the AIM-9Ps.
In terms of flight model, while the F-5A retains an advantage in turn performance, turnfighting is easily countered by energy fighting (BnZ), which is common at this BR. The J-7D, with its superior acceleration and top speed, can easily disengage or dictate the terms of engagement against F-5s or similarly turn-focused aircraft. The same principle applies when comparing the J-7D to the F-8E. While the F-8E’s AIM-9Ds are respectable, they still fall short of the PL-5B due to its limitations.
As for the Mirage IIIE, it does come with x2 Magic 1s and an R530. However, the R530 is not particularly threatening given the mediocre radar performance, and its missiles are easily defeated by kinematic maneuvering. The J-7D also has access to the same Magic 1s, so the loadout advantage is minimal. In terms of flight performance, the Mirage IIIE accelerates slower and handles worse than aircraft like the MiG-21MF, SMT, or the J-7D.
For these reasons, the J-7D counterpart cannot be said to reside in 10.7BR and would be more appropriate at 11.0 BR.
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By your F-5 logic, all of Japan should go down in BR, because they have piss poor speed and acceleration, but excel at turning. That’s basically your reasoning right there.
I agree with you that the F-104 is useless. I just dislike them, I’m not a fan of ultimate speed with zero turning, and the only thing they are good for is dropping bombs and crashing. However, you cannot deny that the F-4 has a good radar and great radar missiles, when they actually want to track. As I said, I dislike the F-4 series strictly because it does not fit my playstyle, but I can recognise how great it can be.
With the whole acceleration thing, you can argue the F-104 can do the same thing. That jet can decide when it wants to engage or not. The thing with the J-7D is that while it can turn and it can accelerate, it cannot do both at the same time. Ever tried extended dogfighting in the MiG 21? Any variation, from the first MiG 21 in the Russian tree to the Indian 12.3 MiG 21. Your speed drops fast, and your amazing acceleration takes forever to kick in when getting out of a turn. I used to dogfight in my MiG 21bis with my friend, I understand the limited abilities of the MiG 21. It excels when it can, but it can fail quite easily if you overextend.
I wouldn’t say the Mirage is as bad as you claim, I’ve used the Mirage III in Israel (Nesher, Kfir, and the others), and it certainly does not suffer against any MiG 21s, I would say it exceeds it. The only thing I would say you got right is the acceleration, but that’s also because I drop throttle, airbrake, and then slam the throttle forward to turn instantly and be on the MiG’s 6 in a matter of three seconds.
im sorry but no, the j7d CAN beat the f5, its a very agile aircraft, but the f5 is such an easy plane to fly and the guns so much better it will win most times, especially cause it burns MUCH less energy
In a short story
J-7D shouldn’t stay 10.7. because it can use 4 PL-8(Chinese copy of Magic 1), while either A-5C, Jaguar A or Mirage IIIE can only access 2.
And here is some preset reply about possible questions.
“Then J-7D can do nothing against F-4S and become useless!”
- Good. J-7D shouldn’t have special treatment at the same level as why F-86A-5 shouldn’t stay 8.0
it is suited more on 11.0 than 10.7. 10.88-ish maybe?
“Why are you bringing strike aircraft when comparing it with a fighter jet? it is nothing but blurring the point.”
- I brought not only A-5C but also Mirage IIIE for the counterpart.
“Mirage has SARH missile while J-7D doesn’t”
- R.530 can kill nothing but RWR-less planes or Brain-less players.
“But it can’t bomb unlike MiG-21bis does!”
- We shouldn’t consider the bombing capability of a fighter jet when we decide BR of it.
especially when bombing having worthless efforts on winning, and strike aircraft are nothing but dogwater in the current meta of ARB.
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I’m starting to think you died to the J-7 a few times and are whining about it. It’s not some unstoppable plane, it’s a jet that I can defeat quite easily in a MiG 21bis and a MiG 23ML. There’s no “it shouldn’t get good treatment” it’s a plane that has no defence against front aspect warfare. In my honest opinion, there is no need for a plane to be 11.0 and above without access to front aspect or all aspect weaponry: that includes the F-5 as well.
But you know what, obviously since all of you are clearly terrible at the game that you are being beaten up by a MiG so badly that you are crying for it to be overtiered, screw it, move it up. I have zero connection to it anyways, and then I will be back in a month where you all are crying that the J-7 is being beaten like a disobedient kid and that it should be moved back down. Just like the Kfir, just like the J35XS, and just like every other jet that has been moved up in BR, because this community cannot figure out how to leave things be.