J-7D. The most broken plane at this time

[C0caC0laEspuma]

This explains why, with a few exceptions, the BRs of premium vehicles are rarely changed, but still does not explain why the J-7D is not “OP”.

When I say “OP” or “overtiered” about a vehicles in the game, I mean that it has too many advantages over other vehicles sitting in the same BR, based on its disadvantages. Of course, “overtired” means the opposite. Probably the same may be true for most forum users other than myself.

Taking the J-7D as an example, the following fighters currently have the same BR as it.

The F-104G (ROCAF) and F-4F Early are clearly overtiered by most standards, so I won’t go into detail on them. However, the rest of the aircraft currently sitting at 10.7 BR are not, in my opinion, overtiered to the same extent.

Among them, the best F-5 variant at 10.7 is the F-5A (ROCAF). However, even this aircraft falls short when compared to the J-7D. In terms of armament, the F-5A is limited to two AIM-9P missiles, while the J-7D can carry up to four PL-5Bs, which significantly outperform the AIM-9Ps.

In terms of flight model, while the F-5A retains an advantage in turn performance, turnfighting is easily countered by energy fighting (BnZ), which is common at this BR. The J-7D, with its superior acceleration and top speed, can easily disengage or dictate the terms of engagement against F-5s or similarly turn-focused aircraft. The same principle applies when comparing the J-7D to the F-8E. While the F-8E’s AIM-9Ds are respectable, they still fall short of the PL-5B due to its limitations.

As for the Mirage IIIE, it does come with x2 Magic 1s and an R530. However, the R530 is not particularly threatening given the mediocre radar performance, and its missiles are easily defeated by kinematic maneuvering. The J-7D also has access to the same Magic 1s, so the loadout advantage is minimal. In terms of flight performance, the Mirage IIIE accelerates slower and handles worse than aircraft like the MiG-21MF, SMT, or the J-7D.

For these reasons, the J-7D counterpart cannot be said to reside in 10.7BR and would be more appropriate at 11.0 BR.

[GALWAYLION]

By your F-5 logic, all of Japan should go down in BR, because they have piss poor speed and acceleration, but excel at turning. That’s basically your reasoning right there.
I agree with you that the F-104 is useless. I just dislike them, I’m not a fan of ultimate speed with zero turning, and the only thing they are good for is dropping bombs and crashing. However, you cannot deny that the F-4 has a good radar and great radar missiles, when they actually want to track. As I said, I dislike the F-4 series strictly because it does not fit my playstyle, but I can recognise how great it can be.
With the whole acceleration thing, you can argue the F-104 can do the same thing. That jet can decide when it wants to engage or not. The thing with the J-7D is that while it can turn and it can accelerate, it cannot do both at the same time. Ever tried extended dogfighting in the MiG 21? Any variation, from the first MiG 21 in the Russian tree to the Indian 12.3 MiG 21. Your speed drops fast, and your amazing acceleration takes forever to kick in when getting out of a turn. I used to dogfight in my MiG 21bis with my friend, I understand the limited abilities of the MiG 21. It excels when it can, but it can fail quite easily if you overextend.
I wouldn’t say the Mirage is as bad as you claim, I’ve used the Mirage III in Israel (Nesher, Kfir, and the others), and it certainly does not suffer against any MiG 21s, I would say it exceeds it. The only thing I would say you got right is the acceleration, but that’s also because I drop throttle, airbrake, and then slam the throttle forward to turn instantly and be on the MiG’s 6 in a matter of three seconds.

[Zannafrancy12]

im sorry but no, the j7d CAN beat the f5, its a very agile aircraft, but the f5 is such an easy plane to fly and the guns so much better it will win most times, especially cause it burns MUCH less energy

[Stockholm_Blend]

In a short story
J-7D shouldn’t stay 10.7. because it can use 4 PL-8(Chinese copy of Magic 1), while either A-5C, Jaguar A or Mirage IIIE can only access 2.

And here is some preset reply about possible questions.

“Then J-7D can do nothing against F-4S and become useless!”

• Good. J-7D shouldn’t have special treatment at the same level as why F-86A-5 shouldn’t stay 8.0
  it is suited more on 11.0 than 10.7. 10.88-ish maybe?

“Why are you bringing strike aircraft when comparing it with a fighter jet? it is nothing but blurring the point.”

• I brought not only A-5C but also Mirage IIIE for the counterpart.

“Mirage has SARH missile while J-7D doesn’t”

• R.530 can kill nothing but RWR-less planes or Brain-less players.

“But it can’t bomb unlike MiG-21bis does!”

• We shouldn’t consider the bombing capability of a fighter jet when we decide BR of it.
  especially when bombing having worthless efforts on winning, and strike aircraft are nothing but dogwater in the current meta of ARB.

[GALWAYLION]

I’m starting to think you died to the J-7 a few times and are whining about it. It’s not some unstoppable plane, it’s a jet that I can defeat quite easily in a MiG 21bis and a MiG 23ML. There’s no “it shouldn’t get good treatment” it’s a plane that has no defence against front aspect warfare. In my honest opinion, there is no need for a plane to be 11.0 and above without access to front aspect or all aspect weaponry: that includes the F-5 as well.

But you know what, obviously since all of you are clearly terrible at the game that you are being beaten up by a MiG so badly that you are crying for it to be overtiered, screw it, move it up. I have zero connection to it anyways, and then I will be back in a month where you all are crying that the J-7 is being beaten like a disobedient kid and that it should be moved back down. Just like the Kfir, just like the J35XS, and just like every other jet that has been moved up in BR, because this community cannot figure out how to leave things be.

[C0caC0laEspuma]

@GALWAYLION

By your F-5 logic, all of Japan should go down in BR, because they have piss poor speed and acceleration, but excel at turning. That’s basically your reasoning right there.

Some of them are actually overtiered. A6M5s are quite sad at current meta.

@GALWAYLION

you cannot deny that the F-4 has a good radar and great radar missiles, when they actually want to track.

F-4F Early doesn’t have radar missiles and radars are mid, which means no look down.
Also they doesn’t even have CMs.

@GALWAYLION

With the whole acceleration thing, you can argue the F-104 can do the same thing. That jet can decide when it wants to engage or not.

Problem is that the F-104s has no other option but to just keep flying straight.
Aircraft like the J-7D and others at higher BRs have more options.

@GALWAYLION

The thing with the J-7D is that while it can turn and it can accelerate, it cannot do both at the same time.

J-7Ds acceleration to VNE on the deck is the best among all 10.7 BR aircraft.

It’s literally better than the F-104G, and that doesn’t matter unless you hold the S key really long time and bleed all your energy

@GALWAYLION

Ever tried extended dogfighting in the MiG 21? Any variation, from the first MiG 21 in the Russian tree to the Indian 12.3 MiG 21

Isn’t it enough?

My MiG-21bis-SAUs stats are quite awful because I played it when MiG-23MLD was meta.
J-7II is also awful because F-4C was broken overpowered at that time.

J-7Ds WRs are not that good because I played this thing since when it comes. J-7D vs MiG-29A(old flight model) was quite horrible.

@GALWAYLION

Your speed drops fast, and your amazing acceleration takes forever to kick in when getting out of a turn.

It isn’t if you compare to other 10.7s.

@GALWAYLION

I wouldn’t say the Mirage is as bad as you claim, I’ve used the Mirage III in Israel (Nesher, Kfir, and the others), and it certainly does not suffer against any MiG 21s, I would say it exceeds it. The only thing I would say you got right is the acceleration, but that’s also because I drop throttle, airbrake, and then slam the throttle forward to turn instantly and be on the MiG’s 6 in a matter of three seconds.

You’ve literally only played the Kfir Canard and C.7 in ARB.
IIIE is basically IIIC with better engine but ways fatter airframe.

Also, Kfirs has waaaaaays better engine and airframe.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@GALWAYLION

I’m starting to think you died to the J-7 a few times and are whining about it.

@GALWAYLION

But you know what, obviously since all of you are clearly terrible at the game that you are being beaten up by a MiG so badly that you are crying for it to be overtiered

First of all, Low-quality bait.
You can’t reply without any kind of insult or sarcasm?
I never knew Irishmen like you can’t do better than this. :/

@GALWAYLION

It’s not some unstoppable plane

Yes. J-7D isn’t somewhat kind of magical dragon kind of shit.
I know, you know, he knows, even Stona and Smin know about it.

@GALWAYLION

it’s a jet that I can defeat quite easily in a MiG 21bis and a MiG 23ML.

We also can kill it easily if it gets nerf up to 11.0 and we brings fancy jets with SARH like F-4S or Tornado ADV then.

I am unsure that you can say the same when you play Harrier, Jaguar, or some MiG-21 but worse or many other jets in 9BRs

Yes. your speech is no better than these sabre gangs which defend their jets to remain undertiered and reasoning early supersonic jet F-104A/C and Su-7 as reason.

@GALWAYLION

it’s a plane that has no defence against front aspect warfare.

Come on, just dump few chaff & flare, and move.
J-7D isn’t flareless jet like Milan or IIIC which need to think before dive against planes with all-aspects IR.
I don’t think J-7D need to considered as ‘no defence’ jet.

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Okay then, for arguing’s sake. if we think about you are completely right for keeping J-7D in 10.7 because no jets with all aspect missile or SARH need to be 11.0 or higher.
Becasue it can do basically nothing agaisnt superior 3rd-gen jets with fancy things.

Then, Why you just only looking upsides but completely ignore downsides? for chirst’s sake.

If you think J-7D shouldn’t face all-aspect missiles at all,
Maybe we can say the exact same theory against J-7D when we talk about flareless supersonic jets in 9BR radius.

[Pangolin_Fan]

J7D accelerates alot faster, so the only real risk is 3rd parties right after or during a dogfight,

[GALWAYLION]

Because there’s bigger issues at 9.7 than a temu MiG 21, case in point: A-10 and Su-25 with better missiles. I would rather see those go up before some Chinese MiG.

[CPT-John_Rambo]

Dont be ridiculous, comparing the effectiveness of the most broken plane of its tier with the capacity of two CAS planes that you can subdue simply by using the cannon is a joke

[GALWAYLION]

Oh yeah, good luck with using your cannon against all aspects

[CPT-John_Rambo]

You dont use flares?

[GALWAYLION]

Kinda hard when you don’t get flares

[CPT-John_Rambo]

Since when J-7D dont have flares??

[GALWAYLION]

I don’t know what we are talking about anymore

[CPT-John_Rambo]

You dont know what this post its about??

[CPT-John_Rambo]

Ill help you. This post its J-7D. The most broken plane at this time

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@GALWAYLION

Anything can be dangerous if played competently.

No.

[TheMightySardine]

The most broken plane is still F-5 tho,unlockable on full AB from rear aspect further than 1.5km

[七-十三]

Press flare.