The AIM‑120A has been continuously nerfed since it was first introduced, and even now, aircraft equipped with the AIM‑120 series find it very difficult to engage in close‑range combat.
They always get decent airframes, but their missiles are completely a mess.
R-77 is better than the amraam
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R-77-1 sure, not the base model though
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C5 is only a boost, the A/B are boost + sustain.
The A/B boost is better than the C’s boost
The skeer might be the same, but the engine isn’t as powerful as the R77-1’s, it has more drag than the AIM120A/B/C, and it’s heavier than the AIM120.
The PL-12, AAM-4, and especially the Derby are missiles that lag far behind their competitors and deserve better versions.
The air frame is excellent, it’s just slow.
No, they don’t.
They all have better firing envelopes than the AIM-120, which is what makes a missile relevant, not any advantage in range which only worthwhile when shooting at idiots.
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But the topic is completely straying from the real problem with the J10C, which is the engine and the abnormal drag of the aircraft’s fuselage.
The jet was supposed to receive the ws10b and about the drag… there’s nothing to even comment on.
For an aircraft the size of the J-10C, with its wing geometry, single engine, to have that kind of drag is unjustifiable.
It is significantly larger than all delta-wing fighter jets.
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all models
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, the AAM-4 is literally better than the AIM-120 in every metric, you are clueless
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Let’s just put this to a poll then!
Since AIM-120C5’s are so overpowered, let’s give J-10A pilots the option.
- Yes - Replace all J-10A missiles with AIM-120C5’s
- No - Keep as is
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so good that nobody uses it.
Every good player in F15J(M) uses aim 120 instead of aam4.
not even in championships.
The only metric where the AAM4 is better than the AIM120 is that it handles curves better; otherwise, it’s worse.
I don’t know why you’re so fixated on this missile issue when the real debate and the problem with this thread is precisely the engine and drag of the J-10C. I don’t know why you’re creating this straw man issue about the missiles.
All the topics and discussions surrounding the J10C are about CAS (which has already been corrected), the motor, and drag.
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It’s a straw poll not a straw man.
The topic was discussing the missiles as per the FIRST. POST.
Bolded AND underlined for your reading pleasure
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From the developer server onwards, the main discussion revolves around the engine and drag.
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Stay on topic and stop trying to attack me. For the last day after your last post this topic has been discussing missiles which is part of the original poster’s topic.
Even YOU posted about the missiles. Why are you trying to attack me for something you are complicit in.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/3z_RqUnEip0
here’s a tournament player telling you why the AAM-4 is better than the amraam
maybe you should educate yourself and not make nonsense claims
the range is the same but it also turns much harder → somehow makes it worse
AMRAAMs are garbage, players drastically overvalue hitting 0.1s faster and 40km and drastically undervalue not having to fully turn your plane in to be able to fire a responding shot in a joust
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Calling Aim-120Bs garbage is certainly a take. They’re worse than the PL-12s, but they’re still decent missiles overall. Don’t underestimate even a minor range advantage, because it can be useful even at “closer” ranges.
Anyways, this talk of missiles seems to derail the thread from the real issues the J-10C faces, which is abnormally high drag, and an artificially weaker engine because gaijin couldn’t be bothered to model a better one.
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a Chinese vehicle gets screwed with nonsense omissions and any amraam carrier gets screwed by a garbage missile, what’s new
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literally stop taking bait and overstating, aim120a/b are very good you just have to lead a little stop pretending 35g is useless lol, I mean pl12 is better but not a lot.
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