The adats buff is irrelevant, its engagement envelope is at best 8km is average situation. That’s legit best case unless an idiot is flying straight and only straight, and that’s if he decides to fly into the AO he could dump his ATGMS outside of the engagement range of even the pantsir.
Nothing has been done to work on the tracking, locking and etc. This is a welcomed change for most, to mimic what I assume is more realistic performance, but more maneuverability within 8km, roughly helps beat only the people that come flying over the the battle space instead of striking from the outside.
Since this discussion has moved from whether or not the US top tier lineup is weak (it definitively isn’t, I’d even hear arguments for it being the best), to a discussion on the ADATS, I would like to point out that the US has access to something a lot better for dealing with enemy aircraft, AMRAAMs.
Because everyone is parroting same old things from years ago when FnF helicopters weren’t so widespread. Kamovs are one of the easier ones to counter with AAs.
Okay, so then stop complaining about f15 dominance if you’re gonna move goal posts. Since everyone and their mother constantly complains about US air.
CAS is great, planes suck. Russian tanks are good, SPAA is great(comparatively) so their planes can suck and it’s balanced.
It takes getting enough SP to get in those planes to deal with CAS that is a bit harder when your team fold around you. While 90sp gets you in a vehicle which can track and destroy ATGMs, deal with CAS(the best of everyone’s by far), and gun vehicles.
If your solution to a lagging aspect of US is “we’ll hop in your good planes” then everyone should stop complaining about US planes.
I never mentioned F-15 dominance in this thread iirc, you might be replying to the wrong guy. But if we’re talking about the Eagles, the F-15C is ever so slightly underperforming in the FM department and the F-15E still need tweaking in the form of moderate nerfs regarding PW ratio.
But yes, if people are complaining about US lacking anti-air in top tier when there is an exceptionally potent option in the air tree that solves their issues, then they should just grind air.
Tbh every nation need better SPAA since forever. Cause the rate of better CAS being added is way way way way way way higher than the stuff ground get to counter those thing and the situation is even worse the lower you go
I’m conflating your point with the umpteen posts about US AIR on the forum, my bad.
I agree with you, the best thing to do is hands down get in your f16 or better yet f15c/e. Except then everyone will talk about the utter dominance of it. Damned if you do, damned if you do t.
Though now it seems like the British/german EF is the best one if I’m not mistaken, because it carries the same amount of AMRAAMs as f16, but 4 more IR missiles on an incredible FM(from what I understand).
That said, it doesn’t fix the SP cost disparity, especially if you’re getting trounced every game as a U.S. player. Would be hard to stop the spanking when the SP costs holding back your ability to deal with CAS is locked behind a performance level you can’t achieve in U.S. ground from your teammates being ass.
Which is why in the end, it’s still a problem. They should have a limited CAP loadout option which drops spawn cost down a lot. That would fix a lot for a lot of nations.
I would agree, but since spaa is so low cost to spawn points wise it makes sense why they aren’t great, I’d personally tweak the physics changes they did to spaa to make the missiles more repsonsive and reliable, maybe juice the radars we have a bit, be a bit more generous with max range calculations, and then make their sp cost equal to that of a light tank roughly.
At least as far as radar missile spaa goes I think that would be reasonable.
The FM is incredible for 1v1 dogfighting in some scenarios, because of this people tend to say the deltas have the “best” fm when there’s a lot more to it, energy retention matters a whole lot more than UFO pulls bleeding all your speed in real matches if that makes sense, I’d reccomend Seeker Head’s recent EF2000 video as he can articulate it better than I can.
I would prefer CAS being nerfed in cost and removal of scouting reduce cost on air stuff in general. Just turn the assist on scout kill into more SL and RP
Unpopular opinion, but CAS is already 5 times as expensive or more than an MBT with optimal loads, so that’s already fine imo, it’s just that teams suck at countering them with CAP and radar missile spaa got screwed over by the missile physics changes they did a while back.
Yes i acknowledged that, however it still is a buff to the vehicle while other trees literally have nothing at all.
As i said all trees need an spaa that.can compete in range with pantsir, becuase now, within decent range, the adats missile and the VT1 are far better.
However neither have the range of the pantsir, from a cas standpoint its missiles arent very difficult to defeat either btw its just due to the long range pressure is applied before even getting near the battlefield, its not destined to take out a fix wing unless they fly like a brain is missing.
But i do agree and at no point will say otherwise it is in a league of its own right now.
I really didn’t, but maybe I missed it, feel free to repeat it and I’ll address it
The second half of my comment wasn’t really at you specifically
Again, for the record, if I try harded the T80UM2 it would easily be my best tank. But I don’t try hard it because I don’t like having an unfair advantage, that’s why I play the PSO and 2A6 over the 2A7, or the Ariete over the 2A7HU.
I know you can’t relate or understand the above so it really is just for the record.