Is US top tier too weak

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1525

So, you directed this at @БЕИ , when he literally did not mention you at all, another unwarranted insult you are throwing at another forum member, trying to take the moral or intellectual high ground by saying that they cant relate or understand.

Why? what is the need for that, the dudes just pointing out the obvious that checking stats allows you to see if a person is actually warranted in what they are saying, at no point were you, or your stats specifically brought up.

You are as @スカサハ said, are not actually address the actual points and arguments people are making, and instead are throwing insults or baseless accusations around which again, you just insulted another forum member for literally no reason.

go back up and read what everyone has said to you then rather than request it be typed out for you again.

Again this is miles off topic and to be honest its quite franky pretty stupid and petty. can we again try get back on topic?

I dont mind debating nuance over US top tier and the tit for tat on what tank is better or worse but this is miles off of what the discussion should be about and its getting out of hand.

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1526

He made multiple posts about my stats in the T80UM2, context matters (which is why you like removing it)

1527

No he made remarks on it previously.

In the comment you responded to he made no such remarks related to you whatsoever, you took it upon yourself to make it about you.
I removed absolutely no context and explained the same there as here, you are now lying about me, and accusing me now.

Now as ive said upteen times, this is miles, off topic and you are consistently doing your best to stir up bother at this stage.

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1528

“He made multiple posts about it”
“Nuh-uh he made remarks on it previously”

nuff said

1529

The specifc comment both he responded too, and wrote were not related to you at all.

Neither of that is what was said, again falsifying information aka lying.

You completely ignored as well what I and others are saying about the points on abrams and are specifically throwing around insults and accusations, that are baseless and unfounded.
That comment, was absolutely nothing to do with you but you related it to yourself, thats on you.

I’d suggest if you’ve nothing nice, sensible or on topic to say, then say nothing.

Again ill say this as i want to make sure we all understand that this is, off topic.

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1530

They’re replies to me or comments about me, I’ll reply if I feel like it even if it triggers you.
You’re on your 5th or 6th wall of text purely about me btw so maybe it’s time to stop projecting the off topic stuff.
TY for the free rent though.

1531

no im responding to you insulting, insunuating and belittling other forum users as if you are morally or intelectually above them.

As you eloquently stated
“I know you can’t relate or understand the above so it really is just for the record.”

so the story goes,

[quote=“ExcaliburSniper, post:1490, topic:140612”]
I get it, the mere suggestion that the game is rigged in your favor is offensive, so of course you’ll respond emotionally, stat check, circlejerk and strawman instead of behaving like adults… and that’s not my problem.
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sn your response to @スカサハ which if you read that correctly you again are still repeating both insults, and accusations. “rigged in your favor”, to a person you have absolutely no idea what nation they play, or where they are from.
Which is a baseless accusation.

This is a complete lie, youve consistently went miles off topic and that back and forth did contain ad hominem if you actually understood what the definition is. heres

example one. and i quote you from start to finish as it begins with a capital on the A, “And the US has by far the worst. But you’re glancing over that. Cool.” this statement in of itself is a passive aggressive remark and falls under the context of ad hominem.

Example two. when @Ion_Protogen infact told you that it does matter that Britain has a worse adats and Isreal has the imp your retort is thusly. “I explained multiple times how it doesn’t and you’ve ignored it every time. Pattern forming.” again ad hominem which is you attacking him on how he is formatting his responses. which BTW from an English teaching perspective are spot on and you are choosing to ignore what he said.
That is just two responses out of many of you having passive aggressive attaacks on folks for disagreeing with you.

I write this because you are infact the one twisting how situations are, and went, and insulting, insinuating, belittle and accusing others and its unjust and no one on the forum comes here to see this malarkey.

again this is still off topic because you objectively are choosing to stir it up , even when the eveidence is there in your own bloody writing.
You are creating strawmen of us, lying too us whilst also insulting us and belittle us, even with the people you claimed to have a mutual discussion with.

why cant you stop?

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1532

I detect sarcasm here, but I never said that jets were weak as far as dealing with other jets goes, quite the opposite.

1533

Read the rest of my comment, I brought up how this could be accomplished, this works quite well as not all nations have spaa left to be added.

1534

sadly, it’s easier to do that than to actually type up a response. Why write a paragraph that proves the others point when you can just say nuh uh?

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1535

Okay but disadvantaging an entire class of vehicles discourages people from taking them out, ideally in a video game you want all playables to feel good.

I know plenty of people have a chip on their shoulder about how CAS is cowardly and that you should be fighting on the ground fair and square as any proper player would. And to them I say suck it up, that isn’t the game the devs want, so adapt.

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1536

So am i going insane here or is this dude genuinely just stirring the pot.

Those are just two examples i could go through the full conversation

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1537

All I’m saying that all nations should have proper AAs to fight off CAS, with either their domestic solutions or by adding additional subtrees from other nations. If that isn’t possible, then adding nations in question as standalone ones was a big mistake.

In plenty of cases that “adapt” part takes many, many hours and RP/SL to do as many nation/BR combos have weak to non-existent AA options. This forces people to grind multiple TTs at full cost just to stay competitive.

I believe some RP/SL reductions should be placed on aircraft for people that have progressed through Ground TT of a certain nation.

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1538

Indeed, you pick and choose where to invest your time and resources in the game, it is entirely player decision.

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1539

Except that aircraft have gamemodes of their own. Ground players can only play combined arms gamemodes.

So yes, either Gaijin makes a tank only mode and changes current ground RB to where there is a balance between ground, AA, CAP and CAS, or they make it so that CAS is always at a slight disadvantage compared to AA and CAP.

I’m fine with CAS being in ground RB, but the only people who like CAS being as it is currently are generally the people who aren’t very good at the game.

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1540

They have decided on a combined arms mode and an air mode, and they wish to have vehicles in the air tree relevant in both of their modes. Generally speaking, attack planes are made for the combined arms mode. That’s just the way it shakes out. You can ask for a tank only mode. But there’s already numerous threads for that.

As it stands, the relevant point to this discussion, the US can, and does overcome having a mediocre spaa (not even the worst one) at top tier, by having the best air tree in the game for air to air combat, you can argue Russian CAS is slightly better because of the KH-38s and I’d say that’s valid, but it definitely doesn’t make the US bad. That’s what I was articulating before thr convo got sidetracked into CAS hate threat no. 10272629

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1541

You don’t get it.
In order to be fully competitive in GRB, you’d have to spend much more time and RP/SL than in other modes. Why is that the case ?

Having ground targets in ARB literally disproves that.
ARB being a cesspool of unbalance for a decade where strikers/bombers are 2nd class citizens is another topic though.

1542

I do, they have decided, on an air mode, and a combined arms mode, that is the game the devs want.

It is irrelevant to the main topic.

1543

And just like how attack planes are generally slightly outclassed by fighters in air RB, they should also be slightly outclassed by SPAA in ground RB.

I’m fine with ground RB having CAS, but I want CAS to at least take skill. Currently CAS in a lot of BRs, but especially at top tier, is just the most low skill aspect in the game. It takes litterally 0 braincells and 0 thought, except for the bad players who use CAS as a crutch.

1544

It is, that’s like saying the devs have decided and want for 2A7V to be at 3.0, so let them have it.
Neither of those is fair for the players, which is the main point here.